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931
#931
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I have a friend looking for a new laptop, preferably up to 1000€

Usage for design and technical software (autodesk, etc) and video editing. Any recommendations?

I have a friend looking for a new laptop, preferably up to 1000€

Usage for design and technical software (autodesk, etc) and video editing. Any recommendations?
932
#932
1 Frags +

I saved up a little more than 1k and I am looking to buy a PC.

I already have a 144Hz main monitor, a mouse pad, mouse, keyboard, the works.

I really just need a decent second monitor and the actual computer itself.

I am really new to this, so if any extra information is needed, I will try my best to give it to you.

Thanks a bunch!

I saved up a little more than 1k and I am looking to buy a PC.

I already have a 144Hz main monitor, a mouse pad, mouse, keyboard, the works.

I really just need a decent second monitor and the actual computer itself.

I am really new to this, so if any extra information is needed, I will try my best to give it to you.

Thanks a bunch!
933
#933
4 Frags +

#930
Not sure if you really need 16GB RAM, but on the other hand the only thing dropping down to 8GB would do is enabling a Fury instead of a 390X (you'll see) and I'm pretty sure either are overkill.

There's a few things I'd change.
Fuck all-in-one liquid coolers. http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/469342/pc-build-thread
850 Evo > Ultra II
390 > 970
XL2411Z >>> VG248QE

This is a rough sketch, colours scheme not quite ideal yet. Basically everything black + huge white cpu cooler.
Also get the i7-6700K from microcenter or wait until it's in stock everywhere so the price goes down to MRSP.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($439.95 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($82.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390X 8GB PCS+ Video Card ($389.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($249.00 @ B&H)
Total: $1575.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-01 17:49 EST-0500

#931
Can't build a laptop. Well you can but I wouldn't recommend it.
I'm all about price to performance ratio and from that standpoint laptops, especially for heavy loads like rendering and video editing, are just a no go

#932
What are you going to be using it for?

#930
Not sure if you really need 16GB RAM, but on the other hand the only thing dropping down to 8GB would do is enabling a Fury instead of a 390X (you'll see) and I'm pretty sure either are overkill.

There's a few things I'd change.
Fuck all-in-one liquid coolers. http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/469342/pc-build-thread
850 Evo > Ultra II
390 > 970
XL2411Z >>> VG248QE

This is a rough sketch, colours scheme not quite ideal yet. Basically everything black + huge white cpu cooler.
Also get the i7-6700K from microcenter or wait until it's in stock everywhere so the price goes down to MRSP.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FT6ZNG]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FT6ZNG/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i76700k]Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($439.95 @ B&H)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/phanteks-cpu-cooler-phtc14pe]Phanteks PH-TC14PE 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($84.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz170md3h]Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($114.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2a2666c16]Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] ($82.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($77.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr9390x8gbd5ppdhe]PowerColor Radeon R9 390X 8GB PCS+ Video Card[/url] ($389.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/thermaltake-case-ca1d500s1wn00]Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] ($39.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs550amaag1s1]Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/benq-monitor-xl2411z]BenQ XL2411Z 144Hz 24.0" Monitor[/url] ($249.00 @ B&H)
[b]Total:[/b] $1575.87
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-01 17:49 EST-0500[/i]

#931
Can't build a laptop. Well you can but I wouldn't recommend it.
I'm all about price to performance ratio and from that standpoint laptops, especially for heavy loads like rendering and video editing, are just a no go

#932
What are you going to be using it for?
934
#934
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Setsul#932
What are you going to be using it for?

It is going to be my computer for literally everything, gaming, school work, watching shit. I really want to be able to get enough frames in TF2 that my 144Hz monitor will be worth something though. Other games I play are CS:GO, Rocket League, DayZ, but I want to get good frames in anything really.

Edit: OH I also would like to be able to twitch stream, but it isn't all that important if it will significantly bring down the quality of the other things I care about.

[quote=Setsul]#932
What are you going to be using it for?[/quote]

It is going to be my computer for literally everything, gaming, school work, watching shit. I really want to be able to get enough frames in TF2 that my 144Hz monitor will be worth something though. Other games I play are CS:GO, Rocket League, DayZ, but I want to get good frames in anything really.

Edit: OH I also would like to be able to twitch stream, but it isn't all that important if it will significantly bring down the quality of the other things I care about.
935
#935
2 Frags +

#934
I'm assuming no overclocking.
The i7-6700 might/should go down in price a bit once it's in stock everywhere (or you can get it from microcenter if there's one nearby)
.That should leave enough money for a 60Hz monitor (possibly IPS if you want good colours for this one, to watch movies or whatever), which I assume is what you're going for.
You could also replace the case and get something with a bit more room for cable management, but cases are always subject to taste and I'm too tired to whip up a selection right now.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($369.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $978.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-02 17:22 EST-0500

Yes it will stream, provided your internet allows it.

#934
I'm assuming no overclocking.
The i7-6700 might/should go down in price a bit once it's in stock everywhere (or you can get it from microcenter if there's one nearby)
.That should leave enough money for a 60Hz monitor (possibly IPS if you want good colours for this one, to watch movies or whatever), which I assume is what you're going for.
You could also replace the case and get something with a bit more room for cable management, but cases are always subject to taste and I'm too tired to whip up a selection right now.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wH4fQ7]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wH4fQ7/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i76700]Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($369.99 @ B&H)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($62.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42800c16d8grr]G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory[/url] ($46.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($77.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93908gbd5ppdhe]PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card[/url] ($279.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs550amaag1s1]Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $978.91
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-02 17:22 EST-0500[/i]

Yes it will stream, provided your internet allows it.
936
#936
0 Frags +
Setsul#934
I'm assuming no overclocking.
The i7-6700 might/should go down in price a bit once it's in stock everywhere (or you can get it from microcenter if there's one nearby)
.That should leave enough money for a 60Hz monitor (possibly IPS if you want good colours for this one, to watch movies or whatever), which I assume is what you're going for.
You could also replace the case and get something with a bit more room for cable management, but cases are always subject to taste and I'm too tired to whip up a selection right now.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($369.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $978.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-02 17:22 EST-0500

Yes it will stream, provided your internet allows it.

Hey, thanks so much for the build, but I just found out that my mom is paying for my new monitor as my old one is going to my sister. So that leaves like, an extra +$100 in the budget. Would that make any major differences?

[quote=Setsul]#934
I'm assuming no overclocking.
The i7-6700 might/should go down in price a bit once it's in stock everywhere (or you can get it from microcenter if there's one nearby)
.That should leave enough money for a 60Hz monitor (possibly IPS if you want good colours for this one, to watch movies or whatever), which I assume is what you're going for.
You could also replace the case and get something with a bit more room for cable management, but cases are always subject to taste and I'm too tired to whip up a selection right now.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wH4fQ7]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wH4fQ7/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80662i76700]Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($369.99 @ B&H)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gab150md3h]Gigabyte GA-B150M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] ($62.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f42800c16d8grr]G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory[/url] ($46.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($77.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93908gbd5ppdhe]PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card[/url] ($279.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-case-nse200kkn1]Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($44.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs550amaag1s1]Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $978.91
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-02 17:22 EST-0500[/i]

Yes it will stream, provided your internet allows it.[/quote]

Hey, thanks so much for the build, but I just found out that my mom is paying for my new monitor as my old one is going to my sister. So that leaves like, an extra +$100 in the budget. Would that make any major differences?
937
#937
3 Frags +

You could get a 390X
Apart from the case nothing left to improve, really.

You could get a [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr9390x8gbd5ppdhe]390X[/url]
Apart from the case nothing left to improve, really.
938
#938
0 Frags +

Hi TF.TV, I'm really really new to PC building, but I'm trying to pick some parts for an upgrade.
PCPartPicker

I'm keeping my current RAM sticks, non-SSD Hard Drive, and Case. I just want some advice from people who know much better about this than I do, so feel free to heavily critique and suggest new things, thanks.

Hi TF.TV, I'm really really new to PC building, but I'm trying to pick some parts for an upgrade.
[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/244L3C]PCPartPicker[/url]

I'm keeping my current RAM sticks, non-SSD Hard Drive, and Case. I just want some advice from people who know much better about this than I do, so feel free to heavily critique and suggest new things, thanks.
939
#939
5 Frags +

#938
Ok, I'll go a little more in depth about the whole Z and K overclocking shenanigans.
First of all Intel is not your friend, Intel doesn't even like you. Intel likes your money. So if there's a way to get more of your money they'll use that.
That's why you can only overclock -K cpus, they are identical to the non-K models (the 4790K being the only exception so far) except for the ability to be overclocked and the higher price.
But they didn't stop there. There's multiple chipsets with different feature sets. Guess which one is the only one that allows overclocking? The most expensive one, the Z series. Same for dual GPU setups. Why? Because you don't have a choice and they assume that if you want to overclock or use 2 GPUs that you've got enough money to spare.

Sometimes they mess up. With Haswell motherboard manufacturers found a way to unlock overclocking on non-Z chipsets. I'm not sure if you knew about that, but you're lucky, it would've worked. That said, you still shouldn't do it. For the Pentium G3258 it's fine, for an i7-4790K not so much. Z series boards are designed with overclocking in mind, they can handle the 150W an overclocked i7 might draw well. H series not so much. They'll do the 80-90W it draws on stock and not much more (some shitty boards can't even handle that well). That means you won't be able to overcock as high. Maybe it'll just crash, maybe the VRMs will overheat and die, it doesn't matter, it's just not a good idea.

I'm just assuming that you want to overclock because there's an aftermarket cooler in that list.
You didn't tell me your budget so I kept it about the same.
I also assumed that your case is µATX. If not get the full ATX version of the mobo I picked, it's 10$ cheaper.
Also get the CPU+mobo from microcenter if there's one nearby. The CPU is way cheaper and you get another 20$ rebate on the bundle.
Also picked a way better cooler. Bonus: Colour scheme fits the mobo.
850 Evo is faster and cheaper than the Mushkin Reactor.
390 is faster and cheaper than the 970.
Better PSU as well.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BL 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($91.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($77.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $884.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-03 04:57 EST-0500

#938
Ok, I'll go a little more in depth about the whole Z and K overclocking shenanigans.
First of all Intel is not your friend, Intel doesn't even like you. Intel likes your money. So if there's a way to get more of your money they'll use that.
That's why you can only overclock -K cpus, they are identical to the non-K models (the 4790K being the only exception so far) except for the ability to be overclocked and the higher price.
But they didn't stop there. There's multiple chipsets with different feature sets. Guess which one is the only one that allows overclocking? The most expensive one, the Z series. Same for dual GPU setups. Why? Because you don't have a choice and they assume that if you want to overclock or use 2 GPUs that you've got enough money to spare.

Sometimes they mess up. With Haswell motherboard manufacturers found a way to unlock overclocking on non-Z chipsets. I'm not sure if you knew about that, but you're lucky, it would've worked. That said, you still shouldn't do it. For the Pentium G3258 it's fine, for an i7-4790K not so much. Z series boards are designed with overclocking in mind, they can handle the 150W an overclocked i7 might draw well. H series not so much. They'll do the 80-90W it draws on stock and not much more (some shitty boards can't even handle that well). That means you won't be able to overcock as high. Maybe it'll just crash, maybe the VRMs will overheat and die, it doesn't matter, it's just not a good idea.

I'm just assuming that you want to overclock because there's an aftermarket cooler in that list.
You didn't tell me your budget so I kept it about the same.
I also assumed that your case is µATX. If not get the [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97pro4]full ATX version of the mobo[/url] I picked, it's 10$ cheaper.
Also get the CPU+mobo from microcenter if there's one nearby. The CPU is way cheaper and you get another 20$ rebate on the bundle.
Also picked a way better cooler. Bonus: Colour scheme fits the mobo.
850 Evo is faster and cheaper than the Mushkin Reactor.
390 is faster and cheaper than the 970.
Better PSU as well.

[url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kM9D99]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kM9D99/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i74790k]Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($319.99 @ SuperBiiz)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/phanteks-cpu-cooler-phtc14pebl]Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BL 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] ($64.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97mpro4]ASRock Z97M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($91.98 @ Newegg)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($77.99 @ Amazon)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93908gbd5ppdhe]PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card[/url] ($279.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-power-supply-rs550amaag1s1]Cooler Master VSM 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] ($49.99 @ Newegg)
[b]Total:[/b] $884.93
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-03 04:57 EST-0500[/i]
940
#940
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Thank you for all of that setsul.

Thank you for all of that setsul.
941
#941
0 Frags +

So I've ordered all of the parts for this build (thank you Setsul), but the SSD is backordered and won't be shipped for "2-4" weeks from Nov. 26th. I'll have all the other hardware by this Friday. I have an additional HDD which I intend to use in the build, but for obvious reasons would like to install my OS (win 7->10) as well as most software on the SSD.

Is there anything constructive which I can do other than physically putting the computer together before I get my primary storage?

So I've ordered all of the parts for [url=http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hwFXD3]this[/url] build (thank you Setsul), but the SSD is backordered and won't be shipped for "2-4" weeks from Nov. 26th. I'll have all the other hardware by this Friday. I have an additional HDD which I intend to use in the build, but for obvious reasons would like to install my OS (win 7->10) as well as most software on the SSD.

Is there anything constructive which I can do other than physically putting the computer together before I get my primary storage?
942
#942
3 Frags +

#941
Just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's better.
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-500GB-vs-SanDisk-Ultra-II-480GB/3477vs3473

Was the CSM450 on sale?

I did recommend the 850 Evo and VSM 550 back then.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kbRX8d

#941
Just because it's more expensive doesn't mean it's better.
http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-500GB-vs-SanDisk-Ultra-II-480GB/3477vs3473

Was the CSM450 on sale?

I did recommend the 850 Evo and VSM 550 back then.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kbRX8d
943
#943
0 Frags +

The Ultra II which I bought was the 960gb version, not the 480gb; I payed $200.

Yes, $55 ($25 with rebate). I believe that you suggested either the VSM550 or the CSM450, noting that the VSM was better but that both were acceptable.

Other differences include different RAM (same specs, $15 cheaper on sale) and a different video card (same price at time of purchase, 4gb).

The Ultra II which I bought was the 960gb version, not the 480gb; I payed $200.

Yes, $55 ($25 with rebate). I believe that you suggested either the VSM550 or the CSM450, noting that the VSM was better but that both were acceptable.

Other differences include different RAM (same specs, $15 cheaper on sale) and a different video card (same price at time of purchase, 4gb).
944
#944
2 Frags +
SetsulFor 50$ you can get the CS550M which is a lot better, the GS 550 which is far better and fully modular or for 55$ the VSM 550 which is better than either of those.

I was talking about the CS550M at 50$.
At the same price the VSM550 is the obvious choice.
With the CS550M even more expensive it's even worse.
But you didn't even get the CS550M, you got the CS450M with only one 6/8 pin PCIe connector. Thanks to pcpartpickers automatic compatibility filter you didn't see the far cheaper 380s with a far higher power limit.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93804gbd5ppdhe
Yeah, indirectly that PSU cost you >50$ and will limit your GPU upgrade options down the road.

[quote=Setsul]For 50$ you can get the CS550M which is a lot better, the GS 550 which is far better and fully modular or for 55$ the VSM 550 which is better than either of those.[/quote]
I was talking about the CS550M at 50$.
At the same price the VSM550 is the obvious choice.
With the CS550M even more expensive it's even worse.
But you didn't even get the CS550M, you got the CS450M with only one 6/8 pin PCIe connector. Thanks to pcpartpickers automatic compatibility filter you didn't see the far cheaper 380s with a far higher power limit.
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93804gbd5ppdhe
Yeah, indirectly that PSU cost you >50$ and will limit your GPU upgrade options down the road.
945
#945
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I'm looking to buy a PC made to play TF2 for under <$1000. I would like it to run 200+ fps with maxframes config. Could anyone provide a good build?

I'm looking to buy a PC made to play TF2 for under <$1000. I would like it to run 200+ fps with maxframes config. Could anyone provide a good build?
946
#946
2 Frags +

#945
Overclocking yes or no?
Any other games?
Any parts being reused?
As cheap as possible or max out the budget?

#945
Overclocking yes or no?
Any other games?
Any parts being reused?
As cheap as possible or max out the budget?
947
#947
0 Frags +
SetsulYeah, indirectly that PSU cost you >50$ and will limit your GPU upgrade options down the road.

Not quite, I didn't just use pcpartpicker for searching parts. The reason why I didn't go for the PowerColor GPU is because it doesn't have DVI-I and therefore can't run a CRT.
The single 6/8 connector is a bit troubling since I didn't notice it, but I don't think I'll be upgrading any part of this build in the near future.

I got the motherboard today, so all I'm missing is the SSD which B&H now lists as arriving (at their warehouse) on the 15th. Still can't think of anything to do other than put it together and see if all the fans spin.

[quote=Setsul]Yeah, indirectly that PSU cost you >50$ and will limit your GPU upgrade options down the road.[/quote]

Not quite, I didn't just use pcpartpicker for searching parts. The reason why I didn't go for the PowerColor GPU is because it doesn't have DVI-I and therefore can't run a CRT.
The single 6/8 connector is a bit troubling since I didn't notice it, but I don't think I'll be upgrading any part of this build in the near future.

I got the motherboard today, so all I'm missing is the SSD which B&H now lists as arriving (at their warehouse) on the 15th. Still can't think of anything to do other than put it together and see if all the fans spin.
948
#948
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http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93804gbd5ppdhe

DVI-D Dual-Link
1
DVI-I Dual-Link
1
DisplayPort
1
HDMI
1

?!

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93804gbd5ppdhe
[quote]DVI-D Dual-Link
1
DVI-I Dual-Link
1
DisplayPort
1
HDMI
1 [/quote]
?!
949
#949
0 Frags +

Warning to those with skylake installing aftermarket coolers.

http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-skylake-cpus-are-bending-under-the-pressure-of-some-coolers/?utm_content=bufferd4648&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgfb

Warning to those with skylake installing aftermarket coolers.

http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-skylake-cpus-are-bending-under-the-pressure-of-some-coolers/?utm_content=bufferd4648&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgfb
950
#950
0 Frags +
Setsulhttp://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93804gbd5ppdheDVI-D Dual-Link
1
DVI-I Dual-Link
1
DisplayPort
1
HDMI
1
?!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131673&cm_re=powercolor_r9_380-_-14-131-673-_-Product

I noticed that, but Newegg lists it as having 2x DVI-D, and I trusted the seller over the 3rd party site. Looking at other sellers now, I guess Newegg just has it wrong. I guess I payed $30 more than I needed to.

[quote=Setsul]http://pcpartpicker.com/part/powercolor-video-card-axr93804gbd5ppdhe
[quote]DVI-D Dual-Link
1
DVI-I Dual-Link
1
DisplayPort
1
HDMI
1 [/quote]
?![/quote]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131673&cm_re=powercolor_r9_380-_-14-131-673-_-Product

I noticed that, but Newegg lists it as having 2x DVI-D, and I trusted the seller over the 3rd party site. Looking at other sellers now, I guess Newegg just has it wrong. I guess I payed $30 more than I needed to.
951
#951
0 Frags +

Kinda off topic a bit, but if some ppl are not aware of this yet then be careful
http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-skylake-cpus-are-bending-under-the-pressure-of-some-coolers/

Kinda off topic a bit, but if some ppl are not aware of this yet then be careful
http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-skylake-cpus-are-bending-under-the-pressure-of-some-coolers/
952
#952
0 Frags +
Setsul#945
Overclocking yes or no?
Any other games?
Any parts being reused?
As cheap as possible or max out the budget?

Well I'm not sure whether i should overclock since i don't know much about PC's.
I occasionally play other games such as CSGO or L4D2
No parts being reused.
Yeah max out the budget.

I would prefer a Nvidia graphics card over AMD if possible. Also would rather SSD and 8gbs of RAM.

[quote=Setsul]#945
Overclocking yes or no?
Any other games?
Any parts being reused?
As cheap as possible or max out the budget?[/quote]

Well I'm not sure whether i should overclock since i don't know much about PC's.
I occasionally play other games such as CSGO or L4D2
No parts being reused.
Yeah max out the budget.

I would prefer a Nvidia graphics card over AMD if possible. Also would rather SSD and 8gbs of RAM.
953
#953
0 Frags +

So in other news don't use coolers for sockets they haven't been approved on? And take off big coolers for transport?
Arctic though:

Depending on the parcel service drop heights of over 2 m can not be excluded. Therefore we recommend regardless of the CPU used to carefully evaluate the dispatch and the packaging used and to possibly mount larger and heavier CPU coolers by the end user.

RIP PC.

And electric screwdrivers smh.

#950
When in doubt, manufacturer website.
There's also molex to PCIe 6/8 pin if the need arises. It's still an inferior and more expensive PSU.

#952
Yeah, you probably won't overclock so no point in spending money on that.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.00 @ CPL Online)
Motherboard: ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($98.00 @ Umart)
Memory: GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.00 @ PLE Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($131.00 @ IJK)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card ($269.00 @ Centre Com)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($59.00 @ IJK)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($72.00 @ CPL Online)
Total: $992.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-06 02:29 AEDT+1100

So in other news don't use coolers for sockets they haven't been approved on? And take off big coolers for transport?
Arctic though:
[quote]Depending on the parcel service drop heights of over 2 m can not be excluded. Therefore we recommend regardless of the CPU used to carefully evaluate the dispatch and the packaging used and to possibly mount larger and heavier CPU coolers by the end user.[/quote]
RIP PC.

And electric screwdrivers smh.

#950
When in doubt, manufacturer website.
There's also molex to PCIe 6/8 pin if the need arises. It's still an inferior and more expensive PSU.

#952
Yeah, you probably won't overclock so no point in spending money on that.

[url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/H3WNdC]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/H3WNdC/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54590]Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] ($299.00 @ CPL Online)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-b85mpro4]ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] ($98.00 @ Umart)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/geil-memory-gev38gb1600c9dc]GeIL EVO Veloce Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory[/url] ($64.00 @ PLE Computers)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($131.00 @ IJK)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-turbogtx960oc2gd5]Asus GeForce GTX 960 2GB Video Card[/url] ($269.00 @ Centre Com)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcacore1000usb3bl]Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($59.00 @ IJK)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://au.pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-100b10500kr]EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] ($72.00 @ CPL Online)
[b]Total:[/b] $992.00
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-06 02:29 AEDT+1100[/i]
954
#954
1 Frags +

As a general question, is overclocking cheaper for the same performance ? If yes, whats the point of not overclocking (except for a budget that doesnt allow a cooler ) ?

As a general question, is overclocking cheaper for the same performance ? If yes, whats the point of not overclocking (except for a budget that doesnt allow a cooler ) ?
955
#955
0 Frags +

I'd like to build a new PC and would like some advice on which parts I should buy.
I'm on a budget of about $600-700 but would still like to get 200+fps on older games like cs and tf2 and a stable 60 on games like rocket league and newer games on decent settings.

I'd like to build a new PC and would like some advice on which parts I should buy.
I'm on a budget of about $600-700 but would still like to get 200+fps on older games like cs and tf2 and a stable 60 on games like rocket league and newer games on decent settings.
956
#956
0 Frags +

#954
No, not anymore (G3258 being the only exception atm).
Also the cooler is the least of your problems. Going from non-K -> K CPU + non-Z -> Z mobo costs more than a mid range cooler.

#955
pcpartpicker doesn't have Singapore so I'll need a link to a shop or price comparision site.

#954
No, not anymore (G3258 being the only exception atm).
Also the cooler is the least of your problems. Going from non-K -> K CPU + non-Z -> Z mobo costs more than a mid range cooler.

#955
pcpartpicker doesn't have Singapore so I'll need a link to a shop or price comparision site.
957
#957
-1 Frags +

My mate has a budget of 400-500 (GBP) for a gaming rig. I know my little share on PC part picking then he is and I've found him a solid rig which at the moment is bare boned (no SSD's, no LEDS, etc). He has said himself that he will be mostly playing games like CS:GO, Arma 2, Payday 2, possibly Fallout 4 and will also be used for general work. (a bit of productivity). I may just sound like an idiot but I'm pretty sure that this will be great for what he wants to do. Since you guys are way more experienced than both of us are combined I've come here to ask what could be changed and how would it suit in a general sense performing these games.

All parts from Amazon UK (where we want to buy the parts from)
CPU: AMD FX6300 (6 core)
RAM: Crucial Sport 8 GB kit
PSU:EVGA 500W
GFX:Sapphire AMD R7 370
Motherboard:Gigabyte GA-H81M-H (yes I know it's Micro)
Case:BitFenix BFC case
HDD: Seagate 1TB
The adapter for when he wants to use Wi-FI: TP Link 50Mbps Wireless-N Nano USB Adapter
SSD:Kingston

Notes: He doesn't really care about a DVD thing so that's why I haven't included it
We're currently unsure if the SSD will work on the motherboard so we need help on that.

Questions: Would this build require a cooler?
Will that motherboard work with the AMD CPU? If not any alternatives for the same-ish price?

My mate has a budget of 400-500 (GBP) for a gaming rig. I know my little share on PC part picking then he is and I've found him a solid rig which at the moment is bare boned (no SSD's, no LEDS, etc). He has said himself that he will be mostly playing games like CS:GO, Arma 2, Payday 2, possibly Fallout 4 and will also be used for general work. (a bit of productivity). I may just sound like an idiot but I'm pretty sure that this will be great for what he wants to do. Since you guys are way more experienced than both of us are combined I've come here to ask what could be changed and how would it suit in a general sense performing these games.

All parts from Amazon UK (where we want to buy the parts from)
CPU: [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-FX6300-4-1GHz-Socket-Retail/dp/B009O7YORK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449510821&sr=8-1&keywords=AMD+FX-6300+3.50GHz]AMD FX6300 (6 core)[/url]
RAM: [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Crucial-Ballistix-240-pin-PC3-12800-Memory/dp/B006YG94Y2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1449510872&sr=8-1&keywords=8GB+%282x4GB%29+Crucial+Ballistix+Sport]Crucial Sport 8 GB kit[/url]
PSU:[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00GP5Y6J0?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_2&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE]EVGA 500W[/url]
GFX:[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00YXSLIJW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=A1IUZRVRQUH0V6]Sapphire AMD R7 370[/url]
Motherboard:[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gigabyte-GA-H81M-H-Motherboard-Micro-Socket/dp/B00IS69CFW/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1445718585&sr=1-3&keywords=pentium+anniversary]Gigabyte GA-H81M-H (yes I know it's Micro)[/url]
Case:[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/BitFenix-BFC-COM-100-WWXS1-RP-Comrade-Midi-Tower-White/dp/B00HG2VOAA/ref=sr_1_22?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1445717931&sr=1-22&keywords=ATX+Case]BitFenix BFC case[/url]
HDD: [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B004KRLWBK?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_image_1&smid=AQ0GSAV8PJ0BI]Seagate 1TB[/url]
The adapter for when he wants to use Wi-FI: [url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008IFXQFU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_image_9&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE]TP Link 50Mbps Wireless-N Nano USB Adapter[/url]
SSD:[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00A1ZTZOG?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_image_1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE]Kingston[/url]

Notes: He doesn't really care about a DVD thing so that's why I haven't included it
We're currently unsure if the SSD will work on the motherboard so we need help on that.

Questions: Would this build require a cooler?
Will that motherboard work with the AMD CPU? If not any alternatives for the same-ish price?
958
#958
0 Frags +

#957
I won't sugarcoat this.
The only way that that's a solid rig is if you intend to use it as a doorstopper.
It wouldn't even work. Can't use an AMD AM3+ CPU on an Intel LGA1150 socket.
On the other hand any SATA SSD will work with any mobo (since all have SATA ports) but that doesn't change the fact that the V300 is shit.
PSU and GPU are pretty bad as well.
You should never want to use wireless. Wired is always better.
All builds require a CPU cooler, but CPUs come with one.

Mubbyno LEDS

What?

Using Amazon only for a pc build is also a bad idea.

Quick and dirty rework of that build:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£85.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£52.93 @ More Computers)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£33.44 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£58.79 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 380 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£144.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case (£28.43 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: be quiet! 400W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£34.74 @ Aria PC)
Total: £469.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-07 19:59 GMT+0000

#957
I won't sugarcoat this.
The only way that that's a solid rig is if you intend to use it as a doorstopper.
It wouldn't even work. Can't use an AMD AM3+ CPU on an Intel LGA1150 socket.
On the other hand any SATA SSD will work with any mobo (since all have SATA ports) but that doesn't change the fact that the V300 is shit.
PSU and GPU are pretty bad as well.
You should never want to use wireless. Wired is always better.
All builds require a CPU cooler, but CPUs come with one.

[quote=Mubby]no LEDS[/quote]
What?

Using Amazon only for a pc build is also a bad idea.

Quick and dirty rework of that build:
[url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/NjsHCJ]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/NjsHCJ/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i34170]Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor[/url] (£85.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-b85mpro4]ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard[/url] (£52.93 @ More Computers)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-hx318c10fk28]Kingston HyperX Fury Blue 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory[/url] (£33.44 @ More Computers)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam]Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] (£58.79 @ Aria PC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm003]Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] (£29.99 @ Aria PC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9380p2df5]XFX Radeon R9 380 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card[/url] (£144.99 @ Ebuyer)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/bitfenix-case-bfccom100wwxs1rp]BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (£28.43 @ CCL Computers)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/be-quiet-power-supply-bn222]be quiet! 400W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] (£34.74 @ Aria PC)
[b]Total:[/b] £469.30
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-07 19:59 GMT+0000[/i]
959
#959
-1 Frags +

#958
Cheers cheers, but how would this fair when performing on those games I mentioned earlier. CS:GO, Arma 3, Payday 2, Just Cause 3 and Fallout 4 (He doesn't really mind going to low settings on the last two games, just wants them to preform smoothly and will this build be-able to handle that.)
To answer up some things:

SetsulMubbyNo LEDSWhat?

What I meant by this is a-lot people like to put LEDs in their builds and I was saying that we didn't want to include it.

SetsulYou should never want to use wireless. Wired is always better.

I know this I put the Adapter in the build because when the build is done my friend wont be able to use wired for a little bit of time.

#958
Cheers cheers, but how would this fair when performing on those games I mentioned earlier. CS:GO, Arma 3, Payday 2, Just Cause 3 and Fallout 4 (He doesn't really mind going to low settings on the last two games, just wants them to preform smoothly and will this build be-able to handle that.)
To answer up some things:
[quote=Setsul][quote=Mubby]No LEDS[/quote]What?[/quote] What I meant by this is a-lot people like to put LEDs in their builds and I was saying that we didn't want to include it.
[quote=Setsul]You should never want to use wireless. Wired is always better.[/quote] I know this I put the Adapter in the build because when the build is done my friend wont be able to use wired for a little bit of time.
960
#960
0 Frags +
SetsulAll builds require a CPU cooler, but CPUs come with one.

Except for skylake, atleast my 6600k didnt have one but iirc none of them get shipped with a cooler.

[quote=Setsul]
All builds require a CPU cooler, but CPUs come with one.
[/quote]
Except for skylake, atleast my 6600k didnt have one but iirc none of them get shipped with a cooler.
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