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3061
#3061
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Oh don't worry, we just need something slightly shorter than the ML08.
Volume isn't a problem, 24l is plenty. If it weren't for the width it would fit a full ATX case e.g. the Xigmatek Prospect (162x370x370mm).
The largest, which should just about fit, would be the ML04 (440x105x340mm). Normal ATX PSU and µATX mobo. GPU length essentially unlimited (350mm).
Next would be the AeroCool CS-101 (300x112x427mm) and QS-102 (300x100x415mm). Not exactly the highest quality you've ever seen, but they're quite cheap and they'd fit. Still µATX and pretty much no restrictions on GPUs (240mm) but SFX PSU.
Then there's mini-ITX cases.
Fractal Design Node 202 (377x88x332mm). Mini-ITX as mentioned, SFX-L, 310mm GPU.
Kolink Rocket (235x125x328mm). Same as the node 202, but with different dimension and a bit smaller in volume.
And lastly the Lian Li PC-Q20B (149x235x205mm). This is by far the smallest case and would limit the GPU to 151mm.

This is by no means an exhaustive list. You've really got plenty of options.

Oh don't worry, we just need something slightly shorter than the ML08.
Volume isn't a problem, 24l is plenty. If it weren't for the width it would fit a full ATX case e.g. the Xigmatek Prospect (162x370x370mm).
The largest, which should just about fit, would be the ML04 (440x105x340mm). Normal ATX PSU and µATX mobo. GPU length essentially unlimited (350mm).
Next would be the AeroCool CS-101 (300x112x427mm) and QS-102 (300x100x415mm). Not exactly the highest quality you've ever seen, but they're quite cheap and they'd fit. Still µATX and pretty much no restrictions on GPUs (240mm) but SFX PSU.
Then there's mini-ITX cases.
Fractal Design Node 202 (377x88x332mm). Mini-ITX as mentioned, SFX-L, 310mm GPU.
Kolink Rocket (235x125x328mm). Same as the node 202, but with different dimension and a bit smaller in volume.
And lastly the Lian Li PC-Q20B (149x235x205mm). This is by far the smallest case and would limit the GPU to 151mm.

This is by no means an exhaustive list. You've really got plenty of options.
3062
#3062
0 Frags +

Thanks for the suggestions :)
How does this look for a final build + the ML04 as you suggested (It's not listed on the pc picker)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Txkdvn

Thanks for the suggestions :)
How does this look for a final build + the ML04 as you suggested (It's not listed on the pc picker)
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Txkdvn
3063
#3063
1 Frags +

You'd want an ATX PSU, not SFX, but it doesn't even matter because I fucked up. The list was wrong, the ML04 is 35cm wide, the ML05 is 34cm and that's mini-ITX.
The main problem however is that it only supports single slot GPUs and that's unacceptable.
Maybe silvestone got some other options (I'm not going to check today though) but there are enough that can fit large GPUs (Node 202 definitely can) so you can just pick another case.
Also maybe double check the measurements of the suitcase just in case. Wouldn't want to pick a 338mm case only to find out that the suitcase is only 336mm after all.

The rest looks good.
As for the PSU since you won't be overclocking 400W (or 450) will be enough.

You'd want an ATX PSU, not SFX, but it doesn't even matter because I fucked up. The list was wrong, the ML04 is 35cm wide, the ML05 is 34cm and that's mini-ITX.
The main problem however is that it only supports single slot GPUs and that's unacceptable.
Maybe silvestone got some other options (I'm not going to check today though) but there are enough that can fit large GPUs (Node 202 definitely can) so you can just pick another case.
Also maybe double check the measurements of the suitcase just in case. Wouldn't want to pick a 338mm case only to find out that the suitcase is only 336mm after all.

The rest looks good.
As for the PSU since you won't be overclocking 400W (or 450) will be enough.
3064
#3064
0 Frags +

#3059 hes just going to game on it not gonna stream or anything like that, he mostly plays rainbow 6 siege so as long as hes getting good fps in that he doesn't care

#3059 hes just going to game on it not gonna stream or anything like that, he mostly plays rainbow 6 siege so as long as hes getting good fps in that he doesn't care
3065
#3065
3 Frags +

Define "good fps". What settings/resolution/fps is he aiming for?

Define "good fps". What settings/resolution/fps is he aiming for?
3066
#3066
0 Frags +

medium+/1080p/60fps+ pretty much as best as he can for the money i dont play rainbow 6 siege so i dont really know how demanding it is

medium+/1080p/60fps+ pretty much as best as he can for the money i dont play rainbow 6 siege so i dont really know how demanding it is
3067
#3067
0 Frags +

Remeasured my case and my dimensions still stand
I had a look through the Silverstone cases and found the smaller version ML03 https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=283&area=en This would fit in with my measurements and supports micro-atx
I also updated the part list for an ATX PSU https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GgL7yX
Thanks a lot

Remeasured my case and my dimensions still stand
I had a look through the Silverstone cases and found the smaller version ML03 https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=283&area=en This would fit in with my measurements and supports micro-atx
I also updated the part list for an ATX PSU https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GgL7yX
Thanks a lot
3068
#3068
0 Frags +

#3066
Rough idea, depending on how much storage he needs.
https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/V764J8

Is this pcp being terrible or are irish prices actually that insane?

#3067
Ah, maybe that was the mixup.
If I'm not mistaken that still only supports single slot GPUs so maybe doublecheck that.

The CSM series isn't that great I'd recommend something like this since you're not limited by budget:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Qb8j4D/seasonic-focus-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-450fm
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3zNypg/corsair-power-supply-cp9020090na
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Y3X2FT/evga-supernova-g3-eu-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0550-y3

#3066
Rough idea, depending on how much storage he needs.
https://ie.pcpartpicker.com/list/V764J8

Is this pcp being terrible or are irish prices actually that insane?


#3067
Ah, maybe that was the mixup.
If I'm not mistaken that still only supports single slot GPUs so maybe doublecheck that.

The CSM series isn't that great I'd recommend something like this since you're not limited by budget:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Qb8j4D/seasonic-focus-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-450fm
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3zNypg/corsair-power-supply-cp9020090na
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Y3X2FT/evga-supernova-g3-eu-550w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-220-g3-0550-y3
3069
#3069
0 Frags +

Yeah my bad it only supports 1 slot
I'm really struggling to find a case suitable, unless you know of anymore thinner ones I might have to resort to a more cube like case.
I have another bag that could support
w: 30cm L: 37cm h: 22cm

Yeah my bad it only supports 1 slot
I'm really struggling to find a case suitable, unless you know of anymore thinner ones I might have to resort to a more cube like case.
I have another bag that could support
w: 30cm L: 37cm h: 22cm
3070
#3070
0 Frags +

Yeah prices here are ridiculous if i want to order from Irish websites

Yeah prices here are ridiculous if i want to order from Irish websites
3071
#3071
0 Frags +

#3069
I get that you might not want a low end case but what's wrong with the rest?
Minor correction, the PC-Q21 (149x257x224mm) supports dual slot GPUs, not the PC-Q20.
And then there's also the Node 202 and Kolink Rocket?
Or did I miss something on those as well?

Sure, they are not µATX but that's expected at that size since the board itself would be 244x244mm.

#3070
Does that mean you could other from somewhere else?

#3069
I get that you might not want a low end case but what's wrong with the rest?
Minor correction, the PC-Q21 (149x257x224mm) supports dual slot GPUs, not the PC-Q20.
And then there's also the Node 202 and Kolink Rocket?
Or did I miss something on those as well?

Sure, they are not µATX but that's expected at that size since the board itself would be 244x244mm.

#3070
Does that mean you could other from somewhere else?
3072
#3072
4 Frags +

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/njfmQZ
please tell me I'm done

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/njfmQZ
please tell me I'm done
3073
#3073
0 Frags +

i say i could easily order from a UK or EU seller as long as they ship to Ireland i dont have a dead line so shipping time is not a issue

i say i could easily order from a UK or EU seller as long as they ship to Ireland i dont have a dead line so shipping time is not a issue
3074
#3074
0 Frags +

#3072
8600K tray for the higher baseclock?
But yes, I think you're done now.

#3073
If there is no deadline you might want to wait another 2-3 weeks for new CPUs.

#3072
8600K tray for the higher baseclock?
But yes, I think you're done now.

#3073
If there is no deadline you might want to wait another 2-3 weeks for new CPUs.
3075
#3075
0 Frags +
Setsul#3072
8600K tray for the higher baseclock?
But yes, I think you're done now.

Yeah for the higher baseclock is that a bad thing?
I've also read that 500w isn't enough for this setup, do you think a 600w is sensible just to be safe?
Thanks so much for your help the past week, I really appreciate it

[quote=Setsul]#3072
8600K tray for the higher baseclock?
But yes, I think you're done now.
[/quote]
Yeah for the higher baseclock is that a bad thing?
I've also read that 500w isn't enough for this setup, do you think a 600w is sensible just to be safe?
Thanks so much for your help the past week, I really appreciate it
3076
#3076
0 Frags +

#3073 yeah i might do that, as long as its here by Xmas it be grand, thanks for your help :)!

#3073 yeah i might do that, as long as its here by Xmas it be grand, thanks for your help :)!
3077
#3077
0 Frags +

#3075
Higher clockrates are never a bad thing. Since you don't need the stock cooler there is no downside to the tray version.
However in that case I'd either get the ASRock Z370M-ITX/ac for 2£ more, even if you never end up getting more than +0.1 GHz out of it because of cooling you can at least allow all cores to reach that clockrate at the same time, or a cheap B360 mobo like the Gigabyte B360N WIFI. Right now the Gigabyte B360N WIFI is neither here nor there, not cheap but not Z370 either.

No, 500W is enough. Pcpartpicker says 339W and that's reasonably accurate. Even if you assumed 150W instead of 95W for the CPU (you won't be able to cool more than that) you'd still have to get the GPU from 180W to 300W and then get both to their peak power consumption at the same time to even draw over 500W.
Overcurrent protection won't trigger until 10 or even 20% beyond that because good PSUs have no issues which such peaks.
So really, even if you tried to turn it into a problem it probably still wouldn't end up being one.

#3076
In that case maybe post again around 1 week before he wants to build so I can work with the most up to date prices and parts?

#3075
Higher clockrates are never a bad thing. Since you don't need the stock cooler there is no downside to the tray version.
However in that case I'd either get the ASRock Z370M-ITX/ac for 2£ more, even if you never end up getting more than +0.1 GHz out of it because of cooling you can at least allow all cores to reach that clockrate at the same time, or a cheap B360 mobo like the Gigabyte B360N WIFI. Right now the Gigabyte B360N WIFI is neither here nor there, not cheap but not Z370 either.

No, 500W is enough. Pcpartpicker says 339W and that's reasonably accurate. Even if you assumed 150W instead of 95W for the CPU (you won't be able to cool more than that) you'd still have to get the GPU from 180W to 300W and then get both to their peak power consumption at the same time to even draw over 500W.
Overcurrent protection won't trigger until 10 or even 20% beyond that because good PSUs have no issues which such peaks.
So really, even if you tried to turn it into a problem it probably still wouldn't end up being one.

#3076
In that case maybe post again around 1 week before he wants to build so I can work with the most up to date prices and parts?
3078
#3078
0 Frags +

yeah il do that, he was just looking for a rough price rn and was gonna buy start buying the parts when he has the funds, but il tell him to just save it in case prices drop and stuff. thanks again

yeah il do that, he was just looking for a rough price rn and was gonna buy start buying the parts when he has the funds, but il tell him to just save it in case prices drop and stuff. thanks again
3079
#3079
4 Frags +

Does setsul approve https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2LCrtg
I doubt you'd ever need something from me in the future, but if you do please ask
Thanks a bunch :)

Does setsul approve https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2LCrtg
I doubt you'd ever need something from me in the future, but if you do please ask
Thanks a bunch :)
3080
#3080
4 Frags +

#3078
Yeah, that would be best.

#3079
The paste that's included with the C7 is better than MX4.
Have fun building and using it!

#3078
Yeah, that would be best.

#3079
The paste that's included with the C7 is better than MX4.
Have fun building and using it!
3081
#3081
0 Frags +

Hi, I'm looking to build a budget PC and need guidance. I'm fine with overclocking and want the system to last 3-5 years with minor upgrades (RAM, Storage, etc). I can wait until new year if prices will drop.

TF2 Settings:
1920x1080
Mastercomfig Low/Medium Low
Need min. 200+ fps in pubs and 250+ in pugs

CSGO Settings:
1024x768 Stretched
Need min. 250+ fps

Other Games (All medium/low graphics):
Shadow Of Mordor/War (60+ fps)
Tomb Raider (60+ fps)
Fallout (60+ fps)
GTA-V (60+ fps)
Fortnite (100+ fps)

I have a 1TB hdd and mouse/keyboard, but need the rest. Here's a build I was thinking of:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£185.98 @ Laptops Direct)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£109.34 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£84.59 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£54.99 @ Laptops Direct)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 560 - 1024 4GB AERO ITX Video Card (£130.97 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox MB600L ATX Mid Tower Case (£43.98 @ Novatech)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£70.68 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC - G2590PX 24.5" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (£213.58 @ PC World Business)
Total: £921.10

However I came across a prebuilt on pcspecialist.co.uk which is comparable in price. Specs:

Case: CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 200R COMPACT GAMING CASE
Processor (CPU): Intel® Core™ i3 Quad Core Processor i3-8350K (4.00GHz) 8MB Cache
Motherboard: ASUS® PRIME Z370-P II: ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs
Memory (RAM): 8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 4GB)
Graphics Card: 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1050 Ti - DVI, HDMI, DP
1st Hard Disk: 240GB ADATA SU650 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 450MB/W)
Power Supply: CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES™ VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
Power Cable: 1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
Processor Cooling: CoolerMaster Hyper 212X (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler
Warranty: 3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Price £728.00 including VAT and delivery

It's corresponding PCP list for comparison:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£185.98 @ Laptops Direct)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.99 @ AWD-IT)
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£109.34 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£84.59 @ Aria PC)
Storage: ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£35.35 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GAMING X 4G Video Card (£168.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case (£57.98 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair - VS 550W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply (£38.00)
Total: £707.22

That's only £20 more, which seems very reasonable for assembly+delivery. I can then pick up an XL2411P (around £210) or any other 144hz you guys may recommend. Should I go for the prebuilt, or switch some parts for a better build in the £900 range?

Hi, I'm looking to build a budget PC and need guidance. I'm fine with overclocking and want the system to last 3-5 years with minor upgrades (RAM, Storage, etc). I can wait until new year if prices will drop.

[b]TF2 Settings:[/b]
1920x1080
Mastercomfig Low/Medium Low
Need min. 200+ fps in pubs and 250+ in pugs

[b]CSGO Settings:[/b]
1024x768 Stretched
Need min. 250+ fps

[b]Other Games (All medium/low graphics):[/b]
Shadow Of Mordor/War (60+ fps)
Tomb Raider (60+ fps)
Fallout (60+ fps)
GTA-V (60+ fps)
Fortnite (100+ fps)

I have a 1TB hdd and mouse/keyboard, but need the rest. Here's a build I was thinking of:

[url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bNhDhy]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/bNhDhy/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fCs8TW/intel-core-i3-8350k-40ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80684i38350k]Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (£185.98 @ Laptops Direct)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2]Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] (£26.99 @ AWD-IT)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/mKCrxr/asus-prime-z370-p-atx-lga1151-motherboard-prime-z370-p]Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] (£109.34 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/BYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk8gx4m2b3000c15]Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] (£84.59 @ Aria PC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/G9rmP6/samsung-860-evo-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-n6e250bw]Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive[/url] (£54.99 @ Laptops Direct)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZKrcCJ/msi-radeon-rx-560-4gb-aero-itx-video-card-rx-560-aero-itx-4g-oc]MSI - Radeon RX 560 - 1024 4GB AERO ITX Video Card[/url] (£130.97 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fbvbt6/cooler-master-masterbox-mb600l-atx-mid-tower-case-mcb-b600l-ka5n-s02]Cooler Master - MasterBox MB600L ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (£43.98 @ Novatech)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na]Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (£70.68 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fwZFf7/aoc-g2590px-245-1920x1080-144hz-monitor-g2590px]AOC - G2590PX 24.5" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor[/url] (£213.58 @ PC World Business)
[b]Total:[/b] £921.10

However I came across a prebuilt on [url=pcspecialist.co.uk]pcspecialist.co.uk[/url] which is comparable in price. Specs:

[b]Case:[/b] CORSAIR CARBIDE SERIES™ 200R COMPACT GAMING CASE
[b]Processor (CPU):[/b] Intel® Core™ i3 Quad Core Processor i3-8350K (4.00GHz) 8MB Cache
[b]Motherboard:[/b] ASUS® PRIME Z370-P II: ATX, LGA1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs
[b]Memory (RAM):[/b] 8GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 3000MHz (2 x 4GB)
[b]Graphics Card:[/b] 4GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 1050 Ti - DVI, HDMI, DP
[b]1st Hard Disk:[/b] 240GB ADATA SU650 2.5" SSD, SATA 6 Gb (520MB/R, 450MB/W)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] CORSAIR 550W VS SERIES™ VS-550 POWER SUPPLY
[b]Power Cable:[/b] 1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)
[b]Processor Cooling:[/b] CoolerMaster Hyper 212X (120mm) Fan CPU Cooler
[b]Warranty:[/b] 3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Price £728.00 including VAT and delivery

It's corresponding PCP list for comparison:

[url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9gT4J8]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9gT4J8/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fCs8TW/intel-core-i3-8350k-40ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80684i38350k]Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (£185.98 @ Laptops Direct)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/hmtCmG/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2]Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler[/url] (£26.99 @ AWD-IT)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/mKCrxr/asus-prime-z370-p-atx-lga1151-motherboard-prime-z370-p]Asus - Prime Z370-P ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] (£109.34 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/BYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk8gx4m2b3000c15]Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] (£84.59 @ Aria PC)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/M3RzK8/adata-ultimate-su650-240gb-25-solid-state-drive-asu650ss-240gt-c]ADATA - Ultimate SU650 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] (£35.35 @ CCL Computers)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/H97CmG/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-gaming-x-4g-video-card-gtx-1050-ti-gaming-x-4g]MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB GAMING X 4G Video Card[/url] (£168.99 @ Ebuyer)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/cTQypg/corsair-case-200r]Corsair - 200R ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (£57.98 @ CCL Computers)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jZ22FT/corsair-vs-550w-80-certified-atx-power-supply-cp-9020171-na]Corsair - VS 550W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply[/url] (£38.00)
[b]Total:[/b] £707.22


That's only £20 more, which seems very reasonable for assembly+delivery. I can then pick up an XL2411P (around £210) or any other 144hz you guys may recommend. Should I go for the prebuilt, or switch some parts for a better build in the £900 range?
3082
#3082
2 Frags +

Keep in mind that the first build costs about the same and got a way better SSD and PSU (although there are cheaper PSUs of similar quality).

So the markup on the pre-built is more than reasonable, but the build could be better. The 212X is actually a bit better than the 212 Evo but I'm not a fan of either. The 200R also lacks dust filters with is both a pain in the ass and just not acceptable at that price.

You should probably figure out what clockrate you even need to get the fps you want in TF2. If you don't have to overclock you could save quite a bit of money.

Either way I'd wait until the 9xxx launch is over. Maybe the 8350K will drop in price, maybe the 9350K is simply higher clocked at the same price or maybe the 9100/9300/9320 is clocked high enough that you don't need to oc it.

About the monitor: Lightboost/ULMB? G-Sync/FreeSync?

Keep in mind that the first build costs about the same and got a way better SSD and PSU (although there are cheaper PSUs of similar quality).

So the markup on the pre-built is more than reasonable, but the build could be better. The 212X is actually a bit better than the 212 Evo but I'm not a fan of either. The 200R also lacks dust filters with is both a pain in the ass and just not acceptable at that price.

You should probably figure out what clockrate you even need to get the fps you want in TF2. If you don't have to overclock you could save quite a bit of money.

Either way I'd wait until the 9xxx launch is over. Maybe the 8350K will drop in price, maybe the 9350K is simply higher clocked at the same price or maybe the 9100/9300/9320 is clocked high enough that you don't need to oc it.

About the monitor: Lightboost/ULMB? G-Sync/FreeSync?
3083
#3083
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Yo, looking to upgrade my setup. Got about a £1200 budget with a bit of leeway to go over. Looking to maximize fps and improve general gaming experience, specifically for first person shooters such as TF2, Overwatch and the new CoD (with frequent use of Shadowplay or whatever it's called these days). I don't really have any plans to stream, I just sometimes make some videos with vegas. In retrospect buying the i7 may have been a waste, oh well.

Monitor: BenQ XL2411Z 24" 144 Hz
Main Board: Gigabyte H97-D3H ATX
Processor: Intel i7-4790(Not overclockable) @3.60 GHz 8 CPUs
SSD: Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB
Hard Drive: 1.5TB SeaGate 5900RPM
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980
Memory: HyperX FURY Series 16GB 1600MHz
PSU: Corsair CXM 600W Modular 80 Bronze
Windows: W10 64-Bit
Case: Corsair CC-9011077-WW Carbide 100R Mid-Tower ATX

Feel free to use the budget to it's fullest to make the best available rig (if the budget allows, I would love to be able to approach the 240hz/G-Sync area of gaming, if not now at some point in the future). I appreciate any advice, thanks.

Yo, looking to upgrade my setup. Got about a £1200 budget with a bit of leeway to go over. Looking to maximize fps and improve general gaming experience, specifically for first person shooters such as TF2, Overwatch and the new CoD (with frequent use of Shadowplay or whatever it's called these days). I don't really have any plans to stream, I just sometimes make some videos with vegas. In retrospect buying the i7 may have been a waste, oh well.

► [b]Monitor:[/b] BenQ XL2411Z 24" 144 Hz
► [b]Main Board:[/b] Gigabyte H97-D3H ATX
► [b]Processor:[/b] Intel i7-4790(Not overclockable) @3.60 GHz 8 CPUs
► [b]SSD:[/b] Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB
► [b]Hard Drive:[/b] 1.5TB SeaGate 5900RPM
► [b]GPU:[/b] NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980
► [b]Memory[/b]: HyperX FURY Series 16GB 1600MHz
► [b]PSU: [/b]Corsair CXM 600W Modular 80 Bronze
► [b]Windows:[/b] W10 64-Bit
► [b]Case:[/b] Corsair CC-9011077-WW Carbide 100R Mid-Tower ATX

Feel free to use the budget to it's fullest to make the best available rig (if the budget allows, I would love to be able to approach the 240hz/G-Sync area of gaming, if not now at some point in the future). I appreciate any advice, thanks.
3084
#3084
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For anything except TF2 a CPU upgrade would do nothing.
If you don't need more fps in TF2 or aren't willing to overclock a CPU upgrade doesn't make sense.

So I guess new GPU, monitor and maybe a faster/larger SSD if you want and that's it. In that case you can easily afford a 240 Hz monitor.

For anything except TF2 a CPU upgrade would do nothing.
If you don't need more fps in TF2 or aren't willing to overclock a CPU upgrade doesn't make sense.

So I guess new GPU, monitor and maybe a faster/larger SSD if you want and that's it. In that case you can easily afford a 240 Hz monitor.
3085
#3085
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So ignoring TF2, GPU upgrade is the main component for increased fps? I feel stupid now. It's amazing what kind of fundamentals you forget when you've been trying to optimize a technical mystery like TF2 for the last 5 years.

Regardless, I recall in a thread I made over a year back to increase TF2 fps that my motherboard didn't support overclocking CPU's, so you suggested I get a new board, ram, CPU and cooler which averaged out to about £550 or so.

In your opinion is the FPS gained worth that £550 to overclock a CPU for any game outside TF2, or is it negligible in comparison to GPU upgrade + monitor and potential SSD upgrade? Would it be a better use of my cash to just upgrade the GPU for most gains (outside TF2)?

Cheers.

So ignoring TF2, GPU upgrade is the main component for increased fps? I feel stupid now. It's amazing what kind of fundamentals you forget when you've been trying to optimize a technical mystery like TF2 for the last 5 years.

Regardless, I recall in a thread I made over a year back to increase TF2 fps that my motherboard didn't support overclocking CPU's, so you suggested I get a new board, ram, CPU and cooler which averaged out to about £550 or so.

In your opinion is the FPS gained worth that £550 to overclock a CPU for any game outside TF2, or is it negligible in comparison to GPU upgrade + monitor and potential SSD upgrade? Would it be a better use of my cash to just upgrade the GPU for most gains (outside TF2)?

Cheers.
3086
#3086
2 Frags +

#3082

Thank you. Here's my new build. I decided to switch to AMD because of the unnaturally high Intel prices, but I'll still wait and see if the 9th gen CPUs are worth it.

Do I need a cooler if I want to overclock or is the stock AMD cooler adequate? Is the new case fine? What would you recommend? As for the monitor, I don't really care about Gsync/Freesync, but I would like some motion-blur reduction technology.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor (£147.60 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£68.39 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£71.49 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£77.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX - Radeon RX 560 - 1024 4GB Video Card (£136.46 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£42.96 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £592.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-15 01:17 BST+0100

#3082

Thank you. Here's my new build. I decided to switch to AMD because of the [url=https://skinflint.co.uk/intel-core-i3-8100-bx80684i38100-a1699931.html?hloc=uk]unnaturally high Intel prices[/url], but I'll still wait and see if the 9th gen CPUs are worth it.

Do I need a cooler if I want to overclock or is the stock AMD cooler adequate? Is the new case fine? What would you recommend? As for the monitor, I don't really care about Gsync/Freesync, but I would like some motion-blur reduction technology.

[url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hbKcmq]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hbKcmq/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jLF48d/amd-ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-processor-yd2600bbafbox]AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] (£147.60 @ Aria PC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h]Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard[/url] (£68.39 @ CCL Computers)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wQmxFT/team-vulcan-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tlgd48g3000hc16cdc01]Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] (£71.49 @ CCL Computers)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/6yKcCJ/samsung-860-evo-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-76e500bam]Samsung - 860 Evo 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] (£77.94 @ Aria PC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/h397YJ/xfx-radeon-rx-560-1024-4gb-video-card-rx-560p4sfg5]XFX - Radeon RX 560 - 1024 4GB Video Card[/url] (£136.46 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vPp323/fractal-design-focus-g-mini-black-microatx-mini-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-mini-bk-w]Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] (£42.96 @ Aria PC)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Total:[/b] £592.83
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-10-15 01:17 BST+0100[/i]
3087
#3087
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RaelynSo ignoring TF2, GPU upgrade is the main component for increased fps? I feel stupid now. It's amazing what kind of fundamentals you forget when you've been trying to optimize a technical mystery like TF2 for the last 5 years.

Regardless, I recall in a thread I made over a year back to increase TF2 fps that my motherboard didn't support overclocking CPU's, so you suggested I get a new board, ram, CPU and cooler which averaged out to about £550 or so.

In your opinion is the FPS gained worth that £550 to overclock a CPU for any game outside TF2, or is it negligible in comparison to GPU upgrade + monitor and potential SSD upgrade? Would it be a better use of my cash to just upgrade the GPU for most gains (outside TF2)?

Cheers.

afaik, a 4790 @ 3.6 is more than enough for most games. 550 for minimal fps changes is really not worth it. A gpu upgrade with more vram would be much more beneficial especially if you want to play more recent games.

[quote=Raelyn]So ignoring TF2, GPU upgrade is the main component for increased fps? I feel stupid now. It's amazing what kind of fundamentals you forget when you've been trying to optimize a technical mystery like TF2 for the last 5 years.

Regardless, I recall in a thread I made over a year back to increase TF2 fps that my motherboard didn't support overclocking CPU's, so you suggested I get a new board, ram, CPU and cooler which averaged out to about £550 or so.

In your opinion is the FPS gained worth that £550 to overclock a CPU for any game outside TF2, or is it negligible in comparison to GPU upgrade + monitor and potential SSD upgrade? Would it be a better use of my cash to just upgrade the GPU for most gains (outside TF2)?

Cheers.[/quote]
afaik, a 4790 @ 3.6 is more than enough for most games. 550 for minimal fps changes is really not worth it. A gpu upgrade with more vram would be much more beneficial especially if you want to play more recent games.
3088
#3088
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#3085
Yes. RAM mostly changes minimum fps, but not average. It's really 99% GPU once you've got a decent CPU.

Yes, for TF2 any upgrade without overclocking won't change much.

Outside of TF2 a CPU upgrade won't increase your fps. So no, it's not worth it.

#3086
Clockrate is more important than cores/threads for you so the 2600 isn't necessary. You could get by with a 2400G just fine and since it should oc higher it might actually be better for TF2. Or go with the 2600X, since you can afford it.

If you don't want to do anything crazy the stock cooler could be enough, but keep in mind that the 2600 only gets the smallest version. The 2600X does come with a bigger/better cooler. You can always just try the stock cooler and buy an aftermarket cooler later though, so don't worry too much about that. Case is fine, PSU as well.

If you do go with an AMD GPU (although you could get a 570 and the cheapest costs only 35£ more right now so you might as well) I'd get a FreeSync monitor anyway because there's enough options with that and more features for free are a never a bad thing. In fact G-Sync costs extra so the most of the cheapest options either have FreeSync or they are outdated anyway.

The cheapest option would be the XG2401 (23.6"). https://skinflint.co.uk/viewsonic-xg2401-a1411080.html
There's the XG2402 (24") but it's not cheaper than the next option with should have better colours, the LG 24GM79G-B (24"). https://skinflint.co.uk/lg-electronics-24gm79g-b-a1574897.html
Last but not least, the most expensive option which offers the best colours, the Samsung C24FG73 (23.5"). https://skinflint.co.uk/samsung-c24fg73-lc24fg73fquxen-a1621926.html
It's slightly curved, not enough to physically matter, but the pixels are slightly narrower due to that so some text might look different/weird at first.

#3085
Yes. RAM mostly changes minimum fps, but not average. It's really 99% GPU once you've got a decent CPU.

Yes, for TF2 any upgrade without overclocking won't change much.

Outside of TF2 a CPU upgrade won't increase your fps. So no, it's not worth it.

#3086
Clockrate is more important than cores/threads for you so the 2600 isn't necessary. You could get by with a 2400G just fine and since it should oc higher it might actually be better for TF2. Or go with the 2600X, since you can afford it.

If you don't want to do anything crazy the stock cooler could be enough, but keep in mind that the 2600 only gets the smallest version. The 2600X does come with a bigger/better cooler. You can always just try the stock cooler and buy an aftermarket cooler later though, so don't worry too much about that. Case is fine, PSU as well.

If you do go with an AMD GPU (although you could get a 570 and the cheapest costs only 35£ more right now so you might as well) I'd get a FreeSync monitor anyway because there's enough options with that and more features for free are a never a bad thing. In fact G-Sync costs extra so the most of the cheapest options either have FreeSync or they are outdated anyway.

The cheapest option would be the XG2401 (23.6"). https://skinflint.co.uk/viewsonic-xg2401-a1411080.html
There's the XG2402 (24") but it's not cheaper than the next option with should have better colours, the LG 24GM79G-B (24"). https://skinflint.co.uk/lg-electronics-24gm79g-b-a1574897.html
Last but not least, the most expensive option which offers the best colours, the Samsung C24FG73 (23.5"). https://skinflint.co.uk/samsung-c24fg73-lc24fg73fquxen-a1621926.html
It's slightly curved, not enough to physically matter, but the pixels are slightly narrower due to that so some text might look different/weird at first.
3089
#3089
0 Frags +

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCLnw6
Is this good for someone who mostly only plays TF2, does music production, video editing and live broadcasting? (also tftv production)
My budget is 650€ and I'm hoping to use the rest of the money to buy a 120+hz monitor.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCLnw6
Is this good for someone who mostly only plays TF2, does music production, video editing and live broadcasting? (also tftv production)
My budget is 650€ and I'm hoping to use the rest of the money to buy a 120+hz monitor.
3090
#3090
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Not sure how that'll work out in € or even krona, but it's ok.
Whatever mobo you go with check the QVL for RAM, especially the cheaper mobos can be a bit picky. Would be a shame if you bought 3000 MHz RAM and couldn't get it past 2666 MHz.

Not sure how that'll work out in € or even krona, but it's ok.
Whatever mobo you go with check the QVL for RAM, especially the cheaper mobos can be a bit picky. Would be a shame if you bought 3000 MHz RAM and couldn't get it past 2666 MHz.
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