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3001
#3001
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#2999
I'm guessing no overclocking?
When are you going to build it? Probably new CPUs within a month.

#3000
http://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#557
Higher PSU wattage than necessary is a waste of money and efficiency.

#2999
I'm guessing no overclocking?
When are you going to build it? Probably new CPUs within a month.

#3000
http://www.teamfortress.tv/12714/pc-build-thread/?page=19#557
Higher PSU wattage than necessary is a waste of money and efficiency.
3002
#3002
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#3001 i guess i can get a bud to help out with the overclocking but have no idea how to do it myself, and can wait the month for a new cpu but would rather not wait like half a year for other new parts

#3001 i guess i can get a bud to help out with the overclocking but have no idea how to do it myself, and can wait the month for a new cpu but would rather not wait like half a year for other new parts
3003
#3003
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Hey guys. What kind of TF2 performance can I expect from:
CPU: Xeon x3353 4x2.66 Gh
RAM: 2x4gb DDR2
GPU: HD 5770 1GB
HDD: 500gb 7200RPM
this + 1440x900 samsung monitor for 180$ as a secondary PC.

Hey guys. What kind of TF2 performance can I expect from:
CPU: Xeon x3353 4x2.66 Gh
RAM: 2x4gb DDR2
GPU: HD 5770 1GB
HDD: 500gb 7200RPM
this + 1440x900 samsung monitor for 180$ as a secondary PC.
3004
#3004
1 Frags +

#3002
It's not necessary and not overclocking might simplify the build a bit.
Although not as important there might be new GPUs as well so it'd be a waste of time making a partlist now when it'll drastically change again.
Just post here again in 3 or 4 weeks in case I forget.

#3003
That's essentially a QX9650 downclocked to 2.67 GHz so not a whole lot. It'd be slower than any 50$ CPU you can buy today.

#3002
It's not necessary and not overclocking might simplify the build a bit.
Although not as important there might be new GPUs as well so it'd be a waste of time making a partlist now when it'll drastically change again.
Just post here again in 3 or 4 weeks in case I forget.

#3003
That's essentially a QX9650 downclocked to 2.67 GHz so not a whole lot. It'd be slower than any 50$ CPU you can buy today.
3005
#3005
0 Frags +

hey setsul, I came up with this after a couple hours of lookin around

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/brtQw6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/brtQw6/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - A320M PRO-VH PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£40.97 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£133.51 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£94.98 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case (£44.75 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: £441.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-07 02:30 BST+0100

It's about 400 but I get some message about compatibility:

Some AMD A320 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Raven Ridge CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

Also are you sure I don't need a GPU at all? thanks

hey setsul, I came up with this after a couple hours of lookin around

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/brtQw6
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/brtQw6/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: MSI - A320M PRO-VH PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£40.97 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£133.51 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£94.98 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair - 100R ATX Mid Tower Case (£44.75 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: £441.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-07 02:30 BST+0100

It's about 400 but I get some message about compatibility:

Some AMD A320 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Raven Ridge CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.

Also are you sure I don't need a GPU at all? thanks
3006
#3006
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"Some AMD A320 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Raven Ridge CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions."

This happened to me when I built a computer for a friend, in the end I had to send the motherboard back to Amazon because there was no way for me to flash it myself. If you can, contact ebuyer and ask if they know/can find out which version of the BIOS is on the mobo prior to purchasing. They might offer a service to update the motherboard themselves, I know that Aria do.

"Some AMD A320 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Raven Ridge CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions."

This happened to me when I built a computer for a friend, in the end I had to send the motherboard back to Amazon because there was no way for me to flash it myself. If you can, contact ebuyer and ask if they know/can find out which version of the BIOS is on the mobo prior to purchasing. They might offer a service to update the motherboard themselves, I know that Aria do.
3007
#3007
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#3005
Any specific reasoning?
16GB is completely pointless for TF2.
CX 2017 is worse than CXM 2015.
100R only comes with one fan.
A320 doesn't allow overclocking.
I've posted how to do the BIOS update often enough. Or just get a B450 mobo.

I'm really not sure what your goal is. You've only made the build more expensive and worse.

#3005
Any specific reasoning?
16GB is completely pointless for TF2.
CX 2017 is worse than CXM 2015.
100R only comes with one fan.
A320 doesn't allow overclocking.
I've posted how to do the BIOS update often enough. Or just get a B450 mobo.

I'm really not sure what your goal is. You've only made the build more expensive and worse.
3008
#3008
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This is the last post from me i promise
I have a 1100$ budget and I want a 240hz, I’m fine with overclocking, I don’t need any peripherals (but if there’s enough left over I would like a 70$ g603)
When I asked some time ago what’s the cheapest build you can make that gets 240 FPS that works with a 240hz you suggested this build https://pcpartpicker.com/user/vulcan2512/saved/HfHccf
thanks in advance

This is the last post from me i promise
I have a 1100$ budget and I want a 240hz, I’m fine with overclocking, I don’t need any peripherals (but if there’s enough left over I would like a 70$ g603)
When I asked some time ago what’s the cheapest build you can make that gets 240 FPS that works with a 240hz you suggested this build https://pcpartpicker.com/user/vulcan2512/saved/HfHccf
thanks in advance
3009
#3009
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So what is your question?

So what is your question?
3010
#3010
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SetsulSo what is your question?

I have 1100 that build is 980, should I upgrade anything from that build to make it better/more future proof, and if not I can just get the mouse instead

Should I just get that build you posted before or are there any changes you would make

[quote=Setsul]So what is your question?[/quote]
I have 1100 that build is 980, should I upgrade anything from that build to make it better/more future proof, and if not I can just get the mouse instead

Should I just get that build you posted before or are there any changes you would make
3011
#3011
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Hey setsul, so I followed none of your advice but I will try to follow this time

So I got these parts:
Ryzen 5 2600
Gigabyte ab350 gaming
Some 2.5" SSD i cba to find out which
Kolink Stronghold (case)

What GPU should I get? People are saying that GTX 1050 TI is minimum to not bottleneck my 2600 and some say AMD RX 550.

Hey setsul, so I followed none of your advice but I will try to follow this time

So I got these parts:
Ryzen 5 2600
Gigabyte ab350 gaming
Some 2.5" SSD i cba to find out which
Kolink Stronghold (case)

What GPU should I get? People are saying that GTX 1050 TI is minimum to not bottleneck my 2600 and some say AMD RX 550.
3012
#3012
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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/vulcan2512/saved/HfHccf
Here’s my build, if I had to get a WiFi card what would you guys reccomend

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/vulcan2512/saved/HfHccf
Here’s my build, if I had to get a WiFi card what would you guys reccomend
3013
#3013
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jevesWhat GPU should I get? People are saying that GTX 1050 TI is minimum to not bottleneck my 2600 and some say AMD RX 550.

That is entirely depending on the game and settings you are trying to play at.

[quote=jeves]
What GPU should I get? People are saying that GTX 1050 TI is minimum to not bottleneck my 2600 and some say AMD RX 550.[/quote]
That is entirely depending on the game and settings you are trying to play at.
3014
#3014
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#3010
Was answered via Steam.

#3011
Yeah, not exactly motivated because of that.

Just for TF2 you need neither.
You've also thrown your budget out of the window apparently.

#3012
Depends on what you need and what your router supports. n/ac, 5Ghz or not, any more fancy features etc.

#3010
Was answered via Steam.

#3011
Yeah, not exactly motivated because of that.

Just for TF2 you need neither.
You've also thrown your budget out of the window apparently.

#3012
Depends on what you need and what your router supports. n/ac, 5Ghz or not, any more fancy features etc.
3015
#3015
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im on ac and it supports 5ghz, I don't think I would need any fancy features, just the basics

im on ac and it supports 5ghz, I don't think I would need any fancy features, just the basics
3016
#3016
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https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LwxfrH/trendnet-wireless-network-card-tew805ub#
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k9ndnQ/asus-pce-ac51-none-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ac51
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Zs8TW/asus-pce-ac55bt-b1-none-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ac55bt-b1

Depending on which form factor and antenna you want.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LwxfrH/trendnet-wireless-network-card-tew805ub#
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k9ndnQ/asus-pce-ac51-none-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ac51
or
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6Zs8TW/asus-pce-ac55bt-b1-none-wi-fi-adapter-pce-ac55bt-b1

Depending on which form factor and antenna you want.
3017
#3017
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Yo I'm helping another friend build a PC.

His budget is £800, including a 144hz monitor.
His main game is pretty much Destiny 2, but would like to be able to run AAA games at medium (or low if needed) settings, as close to, or above, 144fps. He won't really be doing much else on the PC but gaming and uni work, so no need for huge amounts of RAM or loads of cores.

He's got no existing parts but I think an SSD, probably 128 or 256GB and a 1TB HDD should be fine. If overclocking will actually be worth it, then I'd say overclocking is a yes.

No real preference on form factor either.

Any recommendations on where to start?

Yo I'm helping another friend build a PC.

His budget is £800, including a 144hz monitor.
His main game is pretty much Destiny 2, but would like to be able to run AAA games at medium (or low if needed) settings, as close to, or above, 144fps. He won't really be doing much else on the PC but gaming and uni work, so no need for huge amounts of RAM or loads of cores.

He's got no existing parts but I think an SSD, probably 128 or 256GB and a 1TB HDD should be fine. If overclocking will actually be worth it, then I'd say overclocking is a yes.

No real preference on form factor either.

Any recommendations on where to start?
3018
#3018
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Ok so destiny 2 144fps at medium isn't really happening because 200£ for the monitor and 400£ for a GTX 1070 doesn't really work out. Low might be doable.

If he's not in a hurry he should probably wait for new CPUs in mid October.
Otherwise I can try to come up with something now.

Ok so destiny 2 144fps at medium isn't really happening because 200£ for the monitor and 400£ for a GTX 1070 doesn't really work out. Low might be doable.

If he's not in a hurry he should probably wait for new CPUs in mid October.
Otherwise I can try to come up with something now.
3019
#3019
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Asked him and he said he'd like to build now, but is ok using my old GPU as a placeholder till the new GPUs come out.

He also said he's ok to change the budget to £900, so there's a little more room to play with.

Asked him and he said he'd like to build now, but is ok using my old GPU as a placeholder till the new GPUs come out.

He also said he's ok to change the budget to £900, so there's a little more room to play with.
3020
#3020
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I wrote CPUs and I meant CPUs.
New GPUs might not be all that interesting. In most games the RTX 2080 is about as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti.
RTX 2080 MSRP = 699$
GTX 1080 Ti MSRP = 699$
The RTX 2070 should be about as fast as the GTX 1080 and guess what, same MSRP at 499$.
MSRP hasn't been announced yet but you can probably take a guess and just looking at the specs the RTX 2060 might be slightly slower than the GTX 1070.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£103.72 @ PC World Business)
Motherboard: MSI - B360M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£65.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£78.27 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£64.76 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£29.39 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Devil Video Card (£214.68 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case (£42.96 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor (£129.97 @ PC World)
Total: £777.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-20 20:52 BST+0100
I chose a 580 because the monitor is on sale and got FreeSync. Without that deal expect an extra 70-80£. In that case he could get a different, similar monitor and 580 or 1060 doesn't matter anymore.
Get the 2.5" SATA 860 Evo, it's not listed on pcp UK but should be cheaper than that.
I didn't put much thought into the case so he can change that.

If he wants to spend the rest of the budget he could get a slightly better CPU (i3-8300) and/or 16GB RAM or a significantly better CPU (2600X) that will be of no use to him in most games.

If the monitor deal happens 1070 might actually be doable by shaving of a few pounds here and there. Or just changing the CPU.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/27CMyX
(remember with the actual SSD price it should be -8£)
B350 mobo could save another 3£ but let's be real here, manually updating the BIOS isn't worth saving 3£.
He could OC it and get about the same performance. He might have to check the QVL for RAM (anything >=2666 is ok) though because those CPU/mobo might otherwise not like it.
I don't recommend going with A320 because either he saves 5£ at the cost of having to update the BIOS and not being able to overclock while keeping 4 RAM slots or he saves 20£ by going with a shit tier 2 RAM slot mobo with the same disadvantages that'll make RAM upgrades more expensive (replacing sticks instead of just adding 2 more) and is truly shit tier.

I wrote CPUs and I meant CPUs.
New GPUs might not be all that interesting. In most games the RTX 2080 is about as fast as a GTX 1080 Ti.
RTX 2080 MSRP = 699$
GTX 1080 Ti MSRP = 699$
The RTX 2070 should be about as fast as the GTX 1080 and guess what, same MSRP at 499$.
MSRP hasn't been announced yet but you can probably take a guess and just looking at the specs the RTX 2060 might be slightly slower than the GTX 1070.

[url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/29CMyX]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/29CMyX/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/YqKhP6/intel-core-i3-8100-36ghz-4-core-processor-bx80684i38100]Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (£103.72 @ PC World Business)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/6NgzK8/msi-b360m-pro-vdh-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b360m-pro-vdh]MSI - B360M PRO-VDH Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] (£65.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/wQmxFT/team-vulcan-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-3000-memory-tlgd48g3000hc16cdc01]Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] (£78.27 @ CCL Computers)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/G9rmP6/samsung-860-evo-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-n6e250bw]Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive[/url] (£64.76 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/44Gj4D/seagate-barracuda-1tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st1000dm010]Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] (£29.39 @ Aria PC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/PTfmP6/powercolor-radeon-rx-580-8gb-red-devil-video-card-axrx-580-8gbd5-3dhoc]PowerColor - Radeon RX 580 8GB Red Devil Video Card[/url] (£214.68 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vPp323/fractal-design-focus-g-mini-black-microatx-mini-tower-case-fd-ca-focus-mini-bk-w]Fractal Design - Focus G Mini (Black) MicroATX Mini Tower Case[/url] (£42.96 @ Aria PC)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Monitor:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZBZ2FT/aoc-monitor-g2460pf]AOC - G2460PF 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor[/url] (£129.97 @ PC World)
[b]Total:[/b] £777.73
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-09-20 20:52 BST+0100[/i]
I chose a 580 because the monitor is on sale and got FreeSync. Without that deal expect an extra 70-80£. In that case he could get a different, similar monitor and 580 or 1060 doesn't matter anymore.
Get the 2.5" SATA 860 Evo, it's not listed on pcp UK but should be cheaper than that.
I didn't put much thought into the case so he can change that.

If he wants to spend the rest of the budget he could get a slightly better CPU (i3-8300) and/or 16GB RAM or a significantly better CPU (2600X) that will be of no use to him in most games.

If the monitor deal happens 1070 might actually be doable by shaving of a few pounds here and there. Or just changing the CPU.
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/27CMyX
(remember with the actual SSD price it should be -8£)
B350 mobo could save another 3£ but let's be real here, manually updating the BIOS isn't worth saving 3£.
He could OC it and get about the same performance. He might have to check the QVL for RAM (anything >=2666 is ok) though because those CPU/mobo might otherwise not like it.
I don't recommend going with A320 because either he saves 5£ at the cost of having to update the BIOS and not being able to overclock while keeping 4 RAM slots or he saves 20£ by going with a shit tier 2 RAM slot mobo with the same disadvantages that'll make RAM upgrades more expensive (replacing sticks instead of just adding 2 more) and is truly shit tier.
3021
#3021
0 Frags +

Is it better to have positive air intake [2 intake: 1 exaust] or negative with a 1 intake: 2 exhaust

Is it better to have positive air intake [2 intake: 1 exaust] or negative with a 1 intake: 2 exhaust
3022
#3022
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Positive: less dust.
Slightly negative: slightly better cooling
Negative: Worse cooling but you'll never have to vacuum the room ever again.

Also fan ratio doesn't say all that much. The fans might be different and the GPU also pushes some or all of the air it sucks in out of the back (depends on the cooler type). Dust filters also reduce the flow a bit.
So 1 intake 2 exhaust can very well mean a >3:1 ratio for exhaust.
Negative air pressure without dust filters on the intakes basically guarantees that all the dust in the room will accumulate in the case.
Same number of fans for intake and exhaust + GPU and/or dust filters on the intake already cause slight negative pressure.
I'd say minimum 1 intake, 1 exhaust and always at least as many intake fans as exhaust fans (preferably exhaust+1 with dust filters). Without dust filters 1 intake fan can be enough because you'll have to clean it regularly anyway.
Of course Sometimes the CPU cooler is so close to the rear exhaust that you might as well count it as exhaust fan (especially with dual or triple fans setups) and you can reuse the actual rear exhaust fan for a different position.
So the absolute budget setup would be 1 intake and abusing the CPU cooler as exhaust fan.

In your case with 3 fans 2 in 1 out is really the only viable option, especially if you've got dust filters.

Positive: less dust.
Slightly negative: slightly better cooling
Negative: Worse cooling but you'll never have to vacuum the room ever again.

Also fan ratio doesn't say all that much. The fans might be different and the GPU also pushes some or all of the air it sucks in out of the back (depends on the cooler type). Dust filters also reduce the flow a bit.
So 1 intake 2 exhaust can very well mean a >3:1 ratio for exhaust.
Negative air pressure without dust filters on the intakes basically guarantees that all the dust in the room will accumulate in the case.
Same number of fans for intake and exhaust + GPU and/or dust filters on the intake already cause slight negative pressure.
I'd say minimum 1 intake, 1 exhaust and always at least as many intake fans as exhaust fans (preferably exhaust+1 with dust filters). Without dust filters 1 intake fan can be enough because you'll have to clean it regularly anyway.
Of course Sometimes the CPU cooler is so close to the rear exhaust that you might as well count it as exhaust fan (especially with dual or triple fans setups) and you can reuse the actual rear exhaust fan for a different position.
So the absolute budget setup would be 1 intake and abusing the CPU cooler as exhaust fan.

In your case with 3 fans 2 in 1 out is really the only viable option, especially if you've got dust filters.
3023
#3023
0 Frags +
SetsulPositive: less dust.
Slightly negative: slightly better cooling
Negative: Worse cooling but you'll never have to vacuum the room ever again.

Also fan ratio doesn't say all that much. The fans might be different and the GPU also pushes some or all of the air it sucks in out of the back (depends on the cooler type). Dust filters also reduce the flow a bit.
So 1 intake 2 exhaust can very well mean a >3:1 ratio for exhaust.
Negative air pressure without dust filters on the intakes basically guarantees that all the dust in the room will accumulate in the case.
Same number of fans for intake and exhaust + GPU and/or dust filters on the intake already cause slight negative pressure.
I'd say minimum 1 intake, 1 exhaust and always at least as many intake fans as exhaust fans (preferably exhaust+1 with dust filters). Without dust filters 1 intake fan can be enough because you'll have to clean it regularly anyway.
Of course Sometimes the CPU cooler is so close to the rear exhaust that you might as well count it as exhaust fan (especially with dual or triple fans setups) and you can reuse the actual rear exhaust fan for a different position.
So the absolute budget setup would be 1 intake and abusing the CPU cooler as exhaust fan.

In your case with 3 fans 2 in 1 out is really the only viable option, especially if you've got dust filters.

I have a Fractal Deisgn Define S so it has a filter underneath and in the front of the case that cover it entirely; I’ll use 2 input 1 exhaust

[quote=Setsul]Positive: less dust.
Slightly negative: slightly better cooling
Negative: Worse cooling but you'll never have to vacuum the room ever again.

Also fan ratio doesn't say all that much. The fans might be different and the GPU also pushes some or all of the air it sucks in out of the back (depends on the cooler type). Dust filters also reduce the flow a bit.
So 1 intake 2 exhaust can very well mean a >3:1 ratio for exhaust.
Negative air pressure without dust filters on the intakes basically guarantees that all the dust in the room will accumulate in the case.
Same number of fans for intake and exhaust + GPU and/or dust filters on the intake already cause slight negative pressure.
I'd say minimum 1 intake, 1 exhaust and always at least as many intake fans as exhaust fans (preferably exhaust+1 with dust filters). Without dust filters 1 intake fan can be enough because you'll have to clean it regularly anyway.
Of course Sometimes the CPU cooler is so close to the rear exhaust that you might as well count it as exhaust fan (especially with dual or triple fans setups) and you can reuse the actual rear exhaust fan for a different position.
So the absolute budget setup would be 1 intake and abusing the CPU cooler as exhaust fan.

In your case with 3 fans 2 in 1 out is really the only viable option, especially if you've got dust filters.[/quote]

I have a Fractal Deisgn Define S so it has a filter underneath and in the front of the case that cover it entirely; I’ll use 2 input 1 exhaust
3024
#3024
-1 Frags +

i'm wondering if i can overclock my i5-8600k from 3.60 to 4.00Ghz

Intel Core i5-8600K @ 3.60Ghz
16.0GB 3200RPM @ 1024Mhz
EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
Gigabyte Z370 HD3-CF
Fans:
be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler @ 1860 RPM
be quiet! - SilentWings 3 59.5 CFM 140mm Fan @ 1000 RPM
Fractal Design Dynamic GP14 140mm x2 @ 1000RPM

CPU gets to 40 centigrade during load

i'm wondering if i can overclock my i5-8600k from 3.60 to 4.00Ghz

Intel Core i5-8600K @ 3.60Ghz
16.0GB 3200RPM @ 1024Mhz
EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
Gigabyte Z370 HD3-CF
Fans:
be quiet! - Dark Rock Pro 4 50.5 CFM CPU Cooler @ 1860 RPM
be quiet! - SilentWings 3 59.5 CFM 140mm Fan @ 1000 RPM
Fractal Design Dynamic GP14 140mm x2 @ 1000RPM

CPU gets to 40 centigrade during load
3025
#3025
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https://puu.sh/ByUea/05da1e7601.png

This is my build right now. Upgraded GPU is showing better fps but still stuttery, along with slow loading times. what can I upgrade next to fix that?

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This is my build right now. Upgraded GPU is showing better fps but still stuttery, along with slow loading times. what can I upgrade next to fix that?
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#3026
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#3024
That's technically impossible.
The all core boost is 4.1 GHz so 4.0 GHz would be underclocking.

Also it's either "degrees centigrade" (before 1948) or "degrees Celsius" (since 1948) or just "degrees" (since the 19th century outside of the US and UK) but never just "centigrade".
Or you could just write °C or even just C if you can't find °.

#3024
That's technically impossible.
The all core boost is 4.1 GHz so 4.0 GHz would be underclocking.

Also it's either "degrees centigrade" (before 1948) or "degrees Celsius" (since 1948) or just "degrees" (since the 19th century outside of the US and UK) but never just "centigrade".
Or you could just write °C or even just C if you can't find °.
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#3027
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Please bestow your wisdom on me Setsul
I want something that is small and easily portable in and out of the country for different LAN events
TF2 primarily but I don't want to be held back if I do want to play something with more demanding specifications

Something I made in 15 minutes
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JPPLbX
This or something similar is what I would like for a case : https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112407
Budget: £1.5k Max

Never really done this before so any advice would be great
Thanks in advance

Please bestow your wisdom on me Setsul
I want something that is small and easily portable in and out of the country for different LAN events
TF2 primarily but I don't want to be held back if I do want to play something with more demanding specifications

Something I made in 15 minutes
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JPPLbX
This or something similar is what I would like for a case : https://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112407
Budget: £1.5k Max

Never really done this before so any advice would be great
Thanks in advance
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DomoCatFace

this could possibly work?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Msc76s

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if you want to play mostly tf2 then an overclockable cpu is reccomended really, the 8600k is very good and it should work great on both tf2 and newer games (you could go for a 8700k if you really wanted to tho)

i believe setsul generally dislikes the hyper 212 evo and he normally reccomends the cryorig h7 instead, i'm using a h7 with my 8350k which runs prefectly fine and quiet, and i'll think it should be decent enough to overclock the 8600k, you can also try getting somekind of aio watercooler if you wanted to

you originally put a miniATX motherboard but you also posted that you wanted to buy a microITX case and bring it around to lans and such, so i fixed that for you by putting in a microITX mobo instead, you can overclock in that thing too so dw

went for the WD ssd instead mostly because you save a bit of cash for the same storage capacity without compromising on performance that much, if at all

placeholder case since it looks similar to the one you posted

you could try getting a 1tb ssd and jump to a better gpu if you want to use more of your budget but this should be fine for a while
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i don't have much experience with miniITX PCs so idk if this will even fit in a miniITX case but if it does fit then it should be fine
you could wait for the newer intel cpus coming out later this year
you should wait for someone else to post instead of 100% trusting me tho

[quote=DomoCatFace][/quote]
this could possibly work?
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Msc76s
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if you want to play mostly tf2 then an overclockable cpu is reccomended really, the 8600k is very good and it should work great on both tf2 and newer games (you could go for a 8700k if you really wanted to tho)

[url=http://www.teamfortress.tv/post/866765/pc-build-thread]i believe setsul generally dislikes the hyper 212 evo[/url] and he normally reccomends the cryorig h7 instead, i'm using a h7 with my 8350k which runs prefectly fine and quiet, and i'll think it should be decent enough to overclock the 8600k, you can also try getting somekind of aio watercooler if you wanted to

you originally put a miniATX motherboard but you also posted that you wanted to buy a microITX case and bring it around to lans and such, so i fixed that for you by putting in a microITX mobo instead, you can overclock in that thing too so dw

went for the WD ssd instead mostly because you save a bit of cash for the same storage capacity without compromising on performance that much, if at all

placeholder case since it looks similar to the one you posted

you could try getting a 1tb ssd and jump to a better gpu if you want to use more of your budget but this should be fine for a while
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i don't have much experience with miniITX PCs so idk if this will even fit in a miniITX case but if it does fit then it should be fine
you could wait for the newer intel cpus coming out later this year
you should wait for someone else to post instead of 100% trusting me tho
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#3027
Do you want something similar as in the same size or do you want that case?
Because pretty much nothing will fit in that case. Not the mobo, not the cooler, not the PSU.
Cooler + Z mobo + locked CPU doesn't make sense.
And as always, new CPUs in a month.

#3028
I dislike aios more.

smesiyou originally put a miniATX motherboard but you also posted that you wanted to buy a microITX case and bring it around to lans and such, so i fixed that for you by putting in a microITX mobo instead, you can overclock in that thing too so dw

This is trainwreck. Read it again.
Also the Bitfenix Prodigy is one of the largest microATX cases. Really, one of the largest microATX cases. The mini-ITX version is basically a bad joke. It's literally more tha 3 times as large as the one Domo wants. That's not an exaggeration.

smesiwent for the WD ssd instead mostly because you save a bit of cash for the same storage capacity without compromising on performance that much, if at all

The WD Blue is a budget SSD. The are far enough apart that most reviewers won't compare them.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/western-digital-blue-ssd-review,4767-2.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-860-evo-ssd-review,5446-2.html

smesiplaceholder case since it looks similar to the one you posted

Well if you think all mini-ITX cases are similar then yes. If the goal is "small and easily portable" then no.

smesii don't have much experience with miniITX PCs so idk if this will even fit in a miniITX case but if it does fit then it should be fine

PCP wouldn't let you select the components if they didn't fit. Then again this case is rather large.

#3027
Do you want something similar as in the same size or do you want that case?
Because pretty much nothing will fit in that case. Not the mobo, not the cooler, not the PSU.
Cooler + Z mobo + locked CPU doesn't make sense.
And as always, new CPUs in a month.

#3028
I dislike aios more.

[quote=smesi]
you originally put a miniATX motherboard but you also posted that you wanted to buy a microITX case and bring it around to lans and such, so i fixed that for you by putting in a microITX mobo instead, you can overclock in that thing too so dw
[/quote]
This is trainwreck. Read it again.
Also the Bitfenix Prodigy is one of the largest microATX cases. Really, one of the largest microATX cases. The mini-ITX version is basically a bad joke. It's literally more tha 3 times as large as the one Domo wants. That's not an exaggeration.

[quote=smesi]
went for the WD ssd instead mostly because you save a bit of cash for the same storage capacity without compromising on performance that much, if at all
[/quote]
The WD Blue is a budget SSD. The are far enough apart that most reviewers won't compare them.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/western-digital-blue-ssd-review,4767-2.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-860-evo-ssd-review,5446-2.html

[quote=smesi]
placeholder case since it looks similar to the one you posted
[/quote]
Well if you think all mini-ITX cases are similar then yes. If the goal is "small and easily portable" then no.
[quote=smesi]
i don't have much experience with miniITX PCs so idk if this will even fit in a miniITX case but if it does fit then it should be fine[/quote]
PCP wouldn't let you select the components if they didn't fit. Then again this case is rather large.
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Setsul#3024
That's technically impossible.
The all core boost is 4.1 GHz so 4.0 GHz would be underclocking.

Also it's either "degrees centigrade" (before 1948) or "degrees Celsius" (since 1948) or just "degrees" (since the 19th century outside of the US and UK) but never just "centigrade".
Or you could just write °C or even just C if you can't find °.

Is it fine to put all core boost on?

[quote=Setsul]#3024
That's technically impossible.
The all core boost is 4.1 GHz so 4.0 GHz would be underclocking.

Also it's either "degrees centigrade" (before 1948) or "degrees Celsius" (since 1948) or just "degrees" (since the 19th century outside of the US and UK) but never just "centigrade".
Or you could just write °C or even just C if you can't find °.[/quote]

Is it fine to put all core boost on?
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