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2971
#2971
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It's more about how much you think you'll need rather than just copying recommendations.
250GB + 1TB makes sense if you need ~1TB, it doesn't if you only need 400GB. Same if you think 2TB might not be enough.

This is TF2, so more than 4 cores won't help.
You're not going to overclock or use SLI/XFire so you don't need a mobo that supports those.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor (€179.00 @ Paradigit)
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler (€29.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€93.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory (€96.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€71.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Storage: Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€66.90 @ Paradigit)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card (€265.95 @ Bytes At Work)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (€64.95 @ Paradigit)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (€69.95 @ Paradigit)
Total: €939.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-11 15:55 CEST+0200
Didn't change the GPU yet, like I said you could get away with much less for TF2.
Cheaper, case just as an example.
PCP is awful for PSUs outside of the US so could find something cheaper.

The 8350K is purely for the clockrate, even though this means you'll need a cooler (-K CPUs don't come with a stock cooler), but you could get a cheaper cooler if you wanted to.
Basically your upgrade options are the 8600 (~6% compared to the 8350K) and the 8700(K) (~15%), which are disproportionately more expensive.
Obviously if you went with an 8350K, 8600K or 8700K anyway you could get a Z370 mobo and overclock, but like I said it's only worth it if you're actually going to do it. You'd get maybe 3-5% with the faster RAM that Z370 allows, but the RAM would also cost a lot more.
Essentially the question is how much are you willing to spend for an extra 10 to 20%. 100€? 200€? 300€?

As downgrade the G5600 would actually be an option. If TF2's behaviour hasn't changed significantly since I benchmarked it, the G5600 would actually be faster than the i3-8100. On pcp Belgium it's 105€ for some reason, should be ~90€. About 90-92% of the 8350K's performance at literally half the price isn't too bad.

With the G5500 as a placeholder to get a more accurate price, a cheaper GPU and potentially a cheaper PSU you could get it down to 700€. https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/sfF2r6

The main problem is I've got no idea what settings you want to use and I've got no idea what it takes these days to get 200+ fps in TF2, especially since the requirements for 6v6 are vastly different from HL/pubs.

It's more about how much you think you'll need rather than just copying recommendations.
250GB + 1TB makes sense if you need ~1TB, it doesn't if you only need 400GB. Same if you think 2TB might not be enough.

This is TF2, so more than 4 cores won't help.
You're not going to overclock or use SLI/XFire so you don't need a mobo that supports those.

[url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/jTrFXP]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/jTrFXP/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/fCs8TW/intel-core-i3-8350k-40ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80684i38350k]Intel - Core i3-8350K 4GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (€179.00 @ Paradigit)
[b]CPU Cooler:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/hyQRsY/be-quiet-pure-rock-slim-351-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk008]be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.1 CFM CPU Cooler[/url] (€29.95 @ Bytes At Work)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/vZzkcf/asrock-b360m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b360m-pro4]ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] (€93.95 @ Bytes At Work)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/YzNypg/gskill-memory-f42666c15d8gvr]G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory[/url] (€96.95 @ Bytes At Work)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/4mkj4D/crucial-mx500-250gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct250mx500ssd1]Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] (€71.95 @ Bytes At Work)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/CbL7YJ/seagate-barracuda-2tb-35-7200rpm-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm006]Seagate - Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive[/url] (€66.90 @ Paradigit)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/7bL7YJ/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1060-3gb-windforce-oc-video-card-gv-n1060wf2oc-3gd]Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 3GB Windforce OC Video Card[/url] (€265.95 @ Bytes At Work)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/ms6BD3/nzxt-case-cas340wb1]NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (€64.95 @ Paradigit)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://be.pcpartpicker.com/product/Qb8j4D/seasonic-focus-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-450fm]SeaSonic - FOCUS Gold 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (€69.95 @ Paradigit)
[b]Total:[/b] €939.55
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-11 15:55 CEST+0200[/i]
Didn't change the GPU yet, like I said you could get away with much less for TF2.
Cheaper, case just as an example.
PCP is awful for PSUs outside of the US so could find something cheaper.

The 8350K is purely for the clockrate, even though this means you'll need a cooler (-K CPUs don't come with a stock cooler), but you could get a cheaper cooler if you wanted to.
Basically your upgrade options are the 8600 (~6% compared to the 8350K) and the 8700(K) (~15%), which are disproportionately more expensive.
Obviously if you went with an 8350K, 8600K or 8700K anyway you could get a Z370 mobo and overclock, but like I said it's only worth it if you're actually going to do it. You'd get maybe 3-5% with the faster RAM that Z370 allows, but the RAM would also cost a lot more.
Essentially the question is how much are you willing to spend for an extra 10 to 20%. 100€? 200€? 300€?

As downgrade the G5600 would actually be an option. If TF2's behaviour hasn't changed significantly since I benchmarked it, the G5600 would actually be faster than the i3-8100. On pcp Belgium it's 105€ for some reason, should be ~90€. About 90-92% of the 8350K's performance at literally half the price isn't too bad.

With the G5500 as a placeholder to get a more accurate price, a cheaper GPU and potentially a cheaper PSU you could get it down to 700€. https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/sfF2r6

The main problem is I've got no idea what settings you want to use and I've got no idea what it takes these days to get 200+ fps in TF2, especially since the requirements for 6v6 are vastly different from HL/pubs.
2972
#2972
-1 Frags +

@Setsul Should i get this monitor? I would have to sell myself into a child kidnapping ring and make my way out, but If I do make it out it might be worth it.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B013ZVFGQ8/?tag=pcp0f-20

@Setsul Should i get this monitor? I would have to sell myself into a child kidnapping ring and make my way out, but If I do make it out it might be worth it.
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B013ZVFGQ8/?tag=pcp0f-20
2973
#2973
14 Frags +

Absolutely, only a 4K monitor with 99% Adobe RGB will let you experience Anime that way it was meant to be.
And if you don't make it out of the child kidnapping ring it's probably a win for tftv and the world as a whole.
So really it's win-win.

Absolutely, only a 4K monitor with 99% Adobe RGB will let you experience Anime that way it was meant to be.
And if you don't make it out of the child kidnapping ring it's probably a win for tftv and the world as a whole.
So really it's win-win.
2974
#2974
0 Frags +

I’m upgrading most of my pc, how are these parts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nwX6vV

Should I wait until the new processors are out in a few months?

I’m upgrading most of my pc, how are these parts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nwX6vV

Should I wait until the new processors are out in a few months?
2975
#2975
0 Frags +

How are these for what? It all depends on what you're going to use them for.
Not sure you need a 650W PSU either.

Yes, if you can wait, wait.

How are these for what? It all depends on what you're going to use them for.
Not sure you need a 650W PSU either.

Yes, if you can wait, wait.
2976
#2976
0 Frags +
SetsulHow are these for what? It all depends on what you're going to use them for.
Not sure you need a 650W PSU either.

Yes, if you can wait, wait.

I’m using it mostly for dota and overwatch but I play other stuff sometimes (pubg probably is the most intensive of those. can anything run pubg smoothly?).

As far as PSU I was totally guessing. I have a 1060 6gb and a h100 cooler that I’m not planning on replacing. How much psu do I need and is it worth going up in the “ratings” (gold, silver etc)?

[quote=Setsul]How are these for what? It all depends on what you're going to use them for.
Not sure you need a 650W PSU either.

Yes, if you can wait, wait.[/quote]

I’m using it mostly for dota and overwatch but I play other stuff sometimes (pubg probably is the most intensive of those. can anything run pubg smoothly?).

As far as PSU I was totally guessing. I have a 1060 6gb and a h100 cooler that I’m not planning on replacing. How much psu do I need and is it worth going up in the “ratings” (gold, silver etc)?
2977
#2977
0 Frags +

Any reason why you're upgrading? You won't need an 8700K for either btw.
No, PUBG is just a piece of shit.

1060 needs 120W, oc'd ~150W, about the same for the 8700K, so even with plenty to spare you won't need 650W. 400-500W is fine. 80+ is an efficiency rating. The best well automatically reach Gold or better because there's no pointing in making a good platform less efficient, but even mediocre designs can reach Gold so it doesn't tell you much about quality.

Any reason why you're upgrading? You won't need an 8700K for either btw.
No, PUBG is just a piece of shit.

1060 needs 120W, oc'd ~150W, about the same for the 8700K, so even with plenty to spare you won't need 650W. 400-500W is fine. 80+ is an efficiency rating. The best well automatically reach Gold or better because there's no pointing in making a good platform less efficient, but even mediocre designs can reach Gold so it doesn't tell you much about quality.
2978
#2978
0 Frags +

@Setsul currently planning on maybe building a new pc since due to some circumstances with my current setup.

currently looking at building something with a budget of 950 euros where I plan to reuse my current MSI GTX 970 (maybe go for SLI idk) would just like to hear what you would recommend with this budget/reuse of a GPU since i myself have been quite out of the loop with PC Parts the last years, also overclocking/sli/watercooling is ok.

edit: planning on playing pretty high end games and maybe streaming so its not only a tf2 build.

@Setsul currently planning on maybe building a new pc since due to some circumstances with my current setup.

currently looking at building something with a budget of 950 euros where I plan to reuse my current MSI GTX 970 (maybe go for SLI idk) would just like to hear what you would recommend with this budget/reuse of a GPU since i myself have been quite out of the loop with PC Parts the last years, also overclocking/sli/watercooling is ok.

edit: planning on playing pretty high end games and maybe streaming so its not only a tf2 build.
2979
#2979
1 Frags +

What circumstances?
Why SLI?
What do you mean with "overclocking/sli/watercooling is ok"? Do you want them or not? They all cost money.
What are "high end games"? What settings and resolution are you going to use?

What circumstances?
Why SLI?
What do you mean with "overclocking/sli/watercooling is ok"? Do you want them or not? They all cost money.
What are "high end games"? What settings and resolution are you going to use?
2980
#2980
0 Frags +
SetsulWhy SLI?

I already have a 970 so I was just wondering if going SLI could be a possible upgrade.

SetsulWhat circumstances?

My current setup is pretty much 4 years old in a mini-ITX case and I have kind of been wanting to switch since most things have been falling apart (screws and other parts of the case) and software vise i have also had problems with windows almost giving off signs off a dying SSD, where even a clean install of windows didn't seem to change much.

About what I can reuse would be these parts
1TB HDD
CPU water cooler(Cooler Master Seidon 120V CPU Køler)
RAM(Ballistix Sport DDR3 16GB)
PSU (XFX ProSeries Core Edition 550W PSU)
GPU (MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB)

In general, I kind of want to swap motherboard over to something that is NOT mini-ITX and maybe get a new CPU for streaming, since with this setup I have had a 4670 (non-K) and I kind of want something better for streaming where I can worry about my pc not dying of heat since my setup right now have had issues with heat this summer.

SetsulWhat circumstances?
What are "high end games"? What settings and resolution are you going to use?

Battlefield 1, Modded Skyrim possibly Anthem and ofc tf2. 1920x1080 most of the time, however, I have been looking into a new monitor and possibly a 240hz.

Hope this helps, once again thank you soo much for your help <3.

[quote=Setsul]
Why SLI?
[/quote]
I already have a 970 so I was just wondering if going SLI could be a possible upgrade.

[quote=Setsul]What circumstances?
[/quote]
My current setup is pretty much 4 years old in a mini-ITX case and I have kind of been wanting to switch since most things have been falling apart (screws and other parts of the case) and software vise i have also had problems with windows almost giving off signs off a dying SSD, where even a clean install of windows didn't seem to change much.

About what I can reuse would be these parts
1TB HDD
CPU water cooler(Cooler Master Seidon 120V CPU Køler)
RAM(Ballistix Sport DDR3 16GB)
PSU (XFX ProSeries Core Edition 550W PSU)
GPU (MSI GeForce GTX 970 Gaming 4GB)

In general, I kind of want to swap motherboard over to something that is NOT mini-ITX and maybe get a new CPU for streaming, since with this setup I have had a 4670 (non-K) and I kind of want something better for streaming where I can worry about my pc not dying of heat since my setup right now have had issues with heat this summer.

[quote=Setsul]What circumstances?
What are "high end games"? What settings and resolution are you going to use?[/quote]
Battlefield 1, Modded Skyrim possibly Anthem and ofc tf2. 1920x1080 most of the time, however, I have been looking into a new monitor and possibly a 240hz.


Hope this helps, once again thank you soo much for your help <3.
2981
#2981
0 Frags +

For BF1 on 1080p it would be a downgrade.
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/8113/6/crossfire-a-sli-anno-2018-is-it-still-worth-it-benchmarks-battlefield-1-dx12

If you want a new CPU, not used, you won't be able to reuse the RAM.

Also swapping an 80-90W CPU for a more powerful 80-90W (or more) CPU will not help you with the heat. If you can't cool the 4670 properly then either the airflow is pretty bad (wouldn't be surprising with mini-ITX) or the cooler is shit (spoiler: it kinda is) or both.

You still didn't answer the questions about settings and overclocking/watercooling.

For BF1 on 1080p it would be a downgrade.
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/8113/6/crossfire-a-sli-anno-2018-is-it-still-worth-it-benchmarks-battlefield-1-dx12

If you want a new CPU, not used, you won't be able to reuse the RAM.

Also swapping an 80-90W CPU for a more powerful 80-90W (or more) CPU will not help you with the heat. If you can't cool the 4670 properly then either the airflow is pretty bad (wouldn't be surprising with mini-ITX) or the cooler is shit (spoiler: it kinda is) or both.

You still didn't answer the questions about settings and overclocking/watercooling.
2982
#2982
0 Frags +
SetsulFor BF1 on 1080p it would be a downgrade.
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/8113/6/crossfire-a-sli-anno-2018-is-it-still-worth-it-benchmarks-battlefield-1-dx12

If you want a new CPU, not used, you won't be able to reuse the RAM.

Also swapping an 80-90W CPU for a more powerful 80-90W (or more) CPU will not help you with the heat. If you can't cool the 4670 properly then either the airflow is pretty bad (wouldn't be surprising with mini-ITX) or the cooler is shit (spoiler: it kinda is) or both.

You still didn't answer the questions about settings and overclocking/watercooling.

So what i would be looking at would be reusing the gpu and psu correct?

Also im pretty much looking to kind of build with a new mobo/case so that was the thought behind getting a more beefy cpu to stream with (and yes overclock) was just wondering which parts i could reuse also regards watercooling i think it might be better getting a good aircooler as far as i have read so far since i just want to overclock the cpu a reasonable range and not into the extreme.

But as for parts to reuse that would probably be PSU and GPU and HDD, also dont think i listed the right ram sticks since i opened it today and those were certainly not the sticks that were attached to the mobo.
I will be looking into that more tomorrow currently writing on mobile and dont have acces to the pc.

[quote=Setsul]For BF1 on 1080p it would be a downgrade.
https://us.hardware.info/reviews/8113/6/crossfire-a-sli-anno-2018-is-it-still-worth-it-benchmarks-battlefield-1-dx12

If you want a new CPU, not used, you won't be able to reuse the RAM.

Also swapping an 80-90W CPU for a more powerful 80-90W (or more) CPU will not help you with the heat. If you can't cool the 4670 properly then either the airflow is pretty bad (wouldn't be surprising with mini-ITX) or the cooler is shit (spoiler: it kinda is) or both.

You still didn't answer the questions about settings and overclocking/watercooling.[/quote]
So what i would be looking at would be reusing the gpu and psu correct?

Also im pretty much looking to kind of build with a new mobo/case so that was the thought behind getting a more beefy cpu to stream with (and yes overclock) was just wondering which parts i could reuse also regards watercooling i think it might be better getting a good aircooler as far as i have read so far since i just want to overclock the cpu a reasonable range and not into the extreme.

But as for parts to reuse that would probably be PSU and GPU and HDD, also dont think i listed the right ram sticks since i opened it today and those were certainly not the sticks that were attached to the mobo.
I will be looking into that more tomorrow currently writing on mobile and dont have acces to the pc.
2983
#2983
1 Frags +

Maybe. If you could finally tell me which settings you're going for in games I could tell you if it's worth reusing the GPU.

Yes. To make it even clearer: Overclocking Intel CPUs does not improve price/performance, only performance. For AMD CPUs it's free anyway and you can decide later. SLI/XFire do not improve price/performance or performance most of the time because most games don't support them (or only nominally support them). Watercooling doesn't improve price/performance or performance either. Zen hits a wall way before cooling cooling becomes a problem if you're not going for "I'm going to run this benchmark 3 times then the CPU dies"-voltages and Intel CPUs should be delidded when cooling is a problem, which is far more effective and cheaper than watercooling.
So I will ask again: Do you want (or "need") any of those?
Depending on the settings overclocking won't help because you'd be limited by the GPU (except in TF2) and more cores would be cheaper for streaming.

The 4670 uses DDR3, any new CPU uses DDR4. It doesn't matter which sticks they are, if you've got an i5-4670 I can guarantee that they will not work with a new CPU.

Maybe. If you could finally tell me which settings you're going for in games I could tell you if it's worth reusing the GPU.

Yes. To make it even clearer: Overclocking Intel CPUs does not improve price/performance, only performance. For AMD CPUs it's free anyway and you can decide later. SLI/XFire do not improve price/performance or performance most of the time because most games don't support them (or only nominally support them). Watercooling doesn't improve price/performance or performance either. Zen hits a wall way before cooling cooling becomes a problem if you're not going for "I'm going to run this benchmark 3 times then the CPU dies"-voltages and Intel CPUs should be delidded when cooling is a problem, which is far more effective and cheaper than watercooling.
So I will ask again: Do you want (or "need") any of those?
Depending on the settings overclocking won't help because you'd be limited by the GPU (except in TF2) and more cores would be cheaper for streaming.

The 4670 uses DDR3, any new CPU uses DDR4. It doesn't matter which sticks they are, if you've got an i5-4670 I can guarantee that they will not work with a new CPU.
2984
#2984
0 Frags +

I'm thinking of getting this instead of the 1070 ti
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/63yxFT/evga-video-card-08gp46183
worth?

I'm thinking of getting this instead of the 1070 ti
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/63yxFT/evga-video-card-08gp46183
worth?
2985
#2985
0 Frags +
SetsulMaybe. If you could finally tell me which settings you're going for in games I could tell you if it's worth reusing the GPU.

Yes. To make it even clearer: Overclocking Intel CPUs does not improve price/performance, only performance. For AMD CPUs it's free anyway and you can decide later. SLI/XFire do not improve price/performance or performance most of the time because most games don't support them (or only nominally support them). Watercooling doesn't improve price/performance or performance either. Zen hits a wall way before cooling cooling becomes a problem if you're not going for "I'm going to run this benchmark 3 times then the CPU dies"-voltages and Intel CPUs should be delidded when cooling is a problem, which is far more effective and cheaper than watercooling.
So I will ask again: Do you want (or "need") any of those?
Depending on the settings overclocking won't help because you'd be limited by the GPU (except in TF2) and more cores would be cheaper for streaming.

The 4670 uses DDR3, any new CPU uses DDR4. It doesn't matter which sticks they are, if you've got an i5-4670 I can guarantee that they will not work with a new CPU.

Sorry for the late response, yes overclocking does not really seem like something I will need and same goes for watercooling since a good aircooler would probably do the job.

The settings I would plan on using would be either medium settings since those seem to work ok with my current GPU at 1080p and aim to get hopefully be in the 60fps range.

However, at this point, it's starting to look like its a better option to run my current setup until its end. And then almost completely build from scratch with the goal of running games mentioned 1080p at the highest possible setting suitable for a 120hz monitor and stream, since if I wait about half a year I would probably be able to build a rig from scratch within the 2500euro range. And if you would rather recommend that would it be ok for you to maybe help with putting together such build at that point instead?

[quote=Setsul]Maybe. If you could finally tell me which settings you're going for in games I could tell you if it's worth reusing the GPU.

Yes. To make it even clearer: Overclocking Intel CPUs does not improve price/performance, only performance. For AMD CPUs it's free anyway and you can decide later. SLI/XFire do not improve price/performance or performance most of the time because most games don't support them (or only nominally support them). Watercooling doesn't improve price/performance or performance either. Zen hits a wall way before cooling cooling becomes a problem if you're not going for "I'm going to run this benchmark 3 times then the CPU dies"-voltages and Intel CPUs should be delidded when cooling is a problem, which is far more effective and cheaper than watercooling.
So I will ask again: Do you want (or "need") any of those?
Depending on the settings overclocking won't help because you'd be limited by the GPU (except in TF2) and more cores would be cheaper for streaming.

The 4670 uses DDR3, any new CPU uses DDR4. It doesn't matter which sticks they are, if you've got an i5-4670 I can guarantee that they will not work with a new CPU.[/quote]

Sorry for the late response, yes overclocking does not really seem like something I will need and same goes for watercooling since a good aircooler would probably do the job.

The settings I would plan on using would be either medium settings since those seem to work ok with my current GPU at 1080p and aim to get hopefully be in the 60fps range.

However, at this point, it's starting to look like its a better option to run my current setup until its end. And then almost completely build from scratch with the goal of running games mentioned 1080p at the highest possible setting suitable for a 120hz monitor and stream, since if I wait about half a year I would probably be able to build a rig from scratch within the 2500euro range. And if you would rather recommend that would it be ok for you to maybe help with putting together such build at that point instead?
2986
#2986
2 Frags +

#2984
Right now a few 1080s are cheaper than their 1070 Ti counterparts. Those are worth it.

#2985
In half a year there should be new CPUs and a few new GPUs (hopefully in your price range) so you would get more for your money even if your budget didn't increase.
RAM should also get a bit cheaper again.
So yes, waiting would be preferable.
Yes, I'd help you with that build.

Apart from maybe a new SSD. Even if you do have backups (you really should, if not change that RIGHT NOW) having an SSD die is always annoying because it's guaranteed to happen when you're right in the middle of something.
Or figure out what's causing the problems if you're not sure if it's the SSD.

#2984
Right now a few 1080s are cheaper than their 1070 Ti counterparts. Those are worth it.

#2985
In half a year there should be new CPUs and a few new GPUs (hopefully in your price range) so you would get more for your money even if your budget didn't increase.
RAM should also get a bit cheaper again.
So yes, waiting would be preferable.
Yes, I'd help you with that build.

Apart from maybe a new SSD. Even if you do have backups (you really should, if not change that RIGHT NOW) having an SSD die is always annoying because it's guaranteed to happen when you're right in the middle of something.
Or figure out what's causing the problems if you're not sure if it's the SSD.
2987
#2987
0 Frags +
SetsulYes, I'd help you with that build.

Thanks, bro think I will wait with building a new rig.

SetsulApart from maybe a new SSD. Even if you do have backups (you really should, if not change that RIGHT NOW) having an SSD die is always annoying because it's guaranteed to happen when you're right in the middle of something.
Or figure out what's causing the problems if you're not sure if it's the SSD.

I have pretty much already made multiple backups of all the important files so far and working from a fresh install of windows, however, it hasn't changed much would you mind me taking this to PM´s since asking for help in this thread would be derailing it? If so I will try to fill you in on what the problem is tomorrow.

[quote=Setsul]
Yes, I'd help you with that build.
[/quote]
Thanks, bro think I will wait with building a new rig.


[quote=Setsul]
Apart from maybe a new SSD. Even if you do have backups (you really should, if not change that RIGHT NOW) having an SSD die is always annoying because it's guaranteed to happen when you're right in the middle of something.
Or figure out what's causing the problems if you're not sure if it's the SSD.[/quote]

I have pretty much already made multiple backups of all the important files so far and working from a fresh install of windows, however, it hasn't changed much would you mind me taking this to PM´s since asking for help in this thread would be derailing it? If so I will try to fill you in on what the problem is tomorrow.
2988
#2988
2 Frags +

Go ahead. Or add me on steam.

Go ahead. Or add me on steam.
2989
#2989
0 Frags +
SetsulThis is TF2, so more than 4 cores won't help.

Mastercomfig seems to conflict with this information considering they tell you to use the `-threads` launch option if you have 8 threads or more. So, is this still accurate? Should I still be looking for quad-thread CPUs with good single-threaded performance over quad-core hyperthreaded CPUs?

[quote=Setsul]
This is TF2, so more than 4 cores won't help.[/quote]

Mastercomfig seems to conflict with this information considering they tell you to use the `-threads` launch option if you have 8 threads or more. So, is this still accurate? Should I still be looking for quad-thread CPUs with good single-threaded performance over quad-core hyperthreaded CPUs?
2990
#2990
0 Frags +

My sister asked me to put together a relatively cheap PC build for her, even though I'm not really familiar with all of this stuff. Trying to make it as efficient as possible, although I do have to buy a monitor/wifi card/keyboard/mouse with it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BhF2bX

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CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1300X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($122.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB D5 6G Video Card ($284.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ B&H)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter ($44.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell - SE2717H 27.0" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor ($139.99)
Keyboard: Redragon - K552 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech - G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse ($26.59 @ Amazon)
Total: $960.32
My sister asked me to put together a relatively cheap PC build for her, even though I'm not really familiar with all of this stuff. Trying to make it as efficient as possible, although I do have to buy a monitor/wifi card/keyboard/mouse with it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BhF2bX
[spoiler]
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1300X 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($122.94 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Patriot - Viper 4 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB D5 6G Video Card ($284.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - EVO Edition 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ B&H)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WDN4800 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter ($44.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell - SE2717H 27.0" 1920x1080 75Hz Monitor ($139.99)
Keyboard: Redragon - K552 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($29.99 @ Amazon)
Mouse: Logitech - G203 Prodigy Wired Optical Mouse ($26.59 @ Amazon)
Total: $960.32
[/spoiler]
2991
#2991
1 Frags +

#2989
Well you can test it if you want. I don't have VTune installed on windows and I don't have TF2 installed on Linux and I don't feel like doing another benchmark series with different numbers of hardware cores/threads right now.
If TF2 suddenly scaled with threads then those with 8 cores would've noticed and told us about their fps doubling.
So I guess it's still accurate.

Also I'm not sure how it's conflicting with mastercomfig? The recommendation is hardware threadcount - 4 for more than 8 hw threads because just like I said more than 3 or 4 threads at best gets you single digit percentage fps increase and close to the hw limit it actually costs you fps. I can't vouch for threadcount-4 being the ideal setting but it seems reasonable.

So yes, beyond 2 cores SMT/HTT gets you almost nothing and isn't worth paying for. Higher clockrates always help.

#2990
Almost 1000$ is a lot for relatively cheap. It can get her a pretty good build but if she wants something cheaper then there's still some room before any corners have to be cut.

Generally it's ok but some choices are a bit odd.
The 1300X doesn't really make sense anymore. The 2200G is cheaper at the same clockrate and comes with an iGPU. Half the L3 but lower L2 latency so that about evens out.
There's also a lot of more expensive options that could make sense.
The 1400 is pretty meh, a bit more expensive and lower clockrate, but SMT. Oc'd you'd get the SMT which I guess is nice but not that overwhelming for 20$ since oc'd the 1300X would get the same clockrate.
1500X is ok, same clockrates as the 1300X but with SMT. Of course that only makes sense if more threads actually improve performance.
At the upper end of the spectrum would be the 1600 (6 cores + SMT, but -0.1GHz at the same number of active cores), 2400G (SMT + higher clocks + iGPU) and 2600 (6 cores, SMT, higher clocks).

The PSU is neither here nor there. The build doesn't need 620W and there's cheaper budget PSUs with the same or better performance and far better PSUs at a similar price.
E.g. budget: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na
better: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Qb8j4D/seasonic-focus-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-450fm

45$ for an a/b/g/n wifi adapter is also a bit much. I mean for that price you can get a mini-ITX mobo with a/b/g/n/ac and those are overpriced as fuck. Either go for a cheap n or get ac. Even then you can get cheaper ac adapters.

#2989
Well you can test it if you want. I don't have VTune installed on windows and I don't have TF2 installed on Linux and I don't feel like doing another benchmark series with different numbers of hardware cores/threads right now.
If TF2 suddenly scaled with threads then those with 8 cores would've noticed and told us about their fps doubling.
So I guess it's still accurate.

Also I'm not sure how it's conflicting with mastercomfig? The recommendation is hardware threadcount - 4 for more than 8 hw threads because just like I said more than 3 or 4 threads at best gets you single digit percentage fps increase and close to the hw limit it actually costs you fps. I can't vouch for threadcount-4 being the ideal setting but it seems reasonable.

So yes, beyond 2 cores SMT/HTT gets you almost nothing and isn't worth paying for. Higher clockrates always help.

#2990
Almost 1000$ is a lot for relatively cheap. It can get her a pretty good build but if she wants something cheaper then there's still some room before any corners have to be cut.

Generally it's ok but some choices are a bit odd.
The 1300X doesn't really make sense anymore. The 2200G is cheaper at the same clockrate and comes with an iGPU. Half the L3 but lower L2 latency so that about evens out.
There's also a lot of more expensive options that could make sense.
The 1400 is pretty meh, a bit more expensive and lower clockrate, but SMT. Oc'd you'd get the SMT which I guess is nice but not that overwhelming for 20$ since oc'd the 1300X would get the same clockrate.
1500X is ok, same clockrates as the 1300X but with SMT. Of course that only makes sense if more threads actually improve performance.
At the upper end of the spectrum would be the 1600 (6 cores + SMT, but -0.1GHz at the same number of active cores), 2400G (SMT + higher clocks + iGPU) and 2600 (6 cores, SMT, higher clocks).

The PSU is neither here nor there. The build doesn't need 620W and there's cheaper budget PSUs with the same or better performance and far better PSUs at a similar price.
E.g. budget: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na
better: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Qb8j4D/seasonic-focus-gold-450w-80-gold-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-450fm

45$ for an a/b/g/n wifi adapter is also a bit much. I mean for that price you can get a mini-ITX mobo with a/b/g/n/ac and those are overpriced as fuck. Either go for a cheap n or get ac. Even then you can get cheaper ac adapters.
2992
#2992
0 Frags +

@Setsul I'm looking to build a pc only for tf2. I'm going to use mastercomms max fps and the graphics card's drivers to lower lod, so I am trying to consistently get 144+ fps. I don't need a keyboard/mouse and monitor, and I don't play that many games so a 250gb hard drive is fine for me because I won't even use 150gb, however I don't really know much about PC's so I will take your advice. I don't care about having a fancy case (ideally cheapest case possible). I don't need an OS, I don't want to overclock and my budget is £500. Thanks.

@Setsul I'm looking to build a pc only for tf2. I'm going to use mastercomms max fps and the graphics card's drivers to lower lod, so I am trying to consistently get 144+ fps. I don't need a keyboard/mouse and monitor, and I don't play that many games so a 250gb hard drive is fine for me because I won't even use 150gb, however I don't really know much about PC's so I will take your advice. I don't care about having a fancy case (ideally cheapest case possible). I don't need an OS, I don't want to overclock and my budget is £500. Thanks.
2993
#2993
4 Frags +

I wouldn't really recommend the cheapest case possible. Dust filters, cable management and 2 fans should be included, otherwise you'd miss them. The cheapest I could find with that is full ATX but I didn't search very long so you might be able to find something at about the same price or even cheaper in µATX.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£92.34 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£69.98 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£68.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£65.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB AERO ITX Video Card (£113.13 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £493.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-13 21:31 BST+0100

Get the 2.5" version of that SSD, for some reason it's 150£ on pcp but it should be the same price or cheaper than the M.2 version in any actual shop.
You could even get a 500GB SSD for 80-ish or less if you choose a different model if you wanted. 20£ more for twice the capacity isn't much unless you're absolutely sure you'll never need it.

Also this is TF2 so you might be able to get away without a discrete GPU.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor (£128.40 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (£61.98 @ PC World Business)
Memory: Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£68.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive (£65.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.99 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £408.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-13 21:31 BST+0100

Worst case you could just add a GPU later anyway. A used GPU would do as well and be cheaper.
Pcp isn't that great for the UK so I might be able to find a cheaper PSU and get the price for the second build down below 400£ so that even if you end up having to buy a GPU it would still be <500£ even with the exact same GPU as the other build.

The two main advantages of the second build would be being able to forego the GPU until you need something decently powerful for games that aren't TF2 (or maybe never and save some money) and the extra threads via SMT, again for things that aren't TF2.

I wouldn't really recommend the cheapest case possible. Dust filters, cable management and 2 fans should be included, otherwise you'd miss them. The cheapest I could find with that is full ATX but I didn't search very long so you might be able to find something at about the same price or even cheaper in µATX.

[url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hrfxRJ]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hrfxRJ/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/YqKhP6/intel-core-i3-8100-36ghz-4-core-processor-bx80684i38100]Intel - Core i3-8100 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (£92.34 @ Aria PC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/vZzkcf/asrock-b360m-pro4-micro-atx-lga1151-motherboard-b360m-pro4]ASRock - B360M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard[/url] (£69.98 @ CCL Computers)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Thhj4D/team-vulcan-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-2400-memory-tlgd48g2400hc14dc01]Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] (£68.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/G9rmP6/samsung-860-evo-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-n6e250bw]Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive[/url] (£65.99 @ Aria PC)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/DZtWGX/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-2gb-aero-itx-video-card-gtx-1050-aero-itx-2g-oc]MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 2GB AERO ITX Video Card[/url] (£113.13 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcH48d/cooler-master-masterbox-5-black-atx-mid-tower-case-mcx-b5s1-kwnn-11]Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (£34.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Total:[/b] £493.41
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-13 21:31 BST+0100[/i]

Get the 2.5" version of that SSD, for some reason it's 150£ on pcp but it should be the same price or cheaper than the M.2 version in any actual shop.
You could even get a 500GB SSD for 80-ish or less if you choose a different model if you wanted. 20£ more for twice the capacity isn't much unless you're absolutely sure you'll never need it.

Also this is TF2 so you might be able to get away without a discrete GPU.

[url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LNFmmq]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LNFmmq/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FGPKHx/amd-ryzen-5-2400g-36ghz-quad-core-processor-yd2400c5fbbox]AMD - Ryzen 5 2400G 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor[/url] (£128.40 @ Aria PC)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/6ddxFT/gigabyte-ga-ab350m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ga-ab350m-ds3h]Gigabyte - GA-AB350M-DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard[/url] (£61.98 @ PC World Business)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/Thhj4D/team-vulcan-8gb-2-x-4gb-ddr4-2400-memory-tlgd48g2400hc14dc01]Team - Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory[/url] (£68.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/G9rmP6/samsung-860-evo-250gb-m2-2280-solid-state-drive-mz-n6e250bw]Samsung - 860 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive[/url] (£65.99 @ Aria PC)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/jcH48d/cooler-master-masterbox-5-black-atx-mid-tower-case-mcx-b5s1-kwnn-11]Cooler Master - MasterBox 5 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] (£34.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Power Supply:[/b] [url=https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/FQ648d/corsair-power-supply-cp9020101na]Corsair - CXM (2015) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply[/url] (£47.99 @ Amazon UK)
[b]Total:[/b] £408.34
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-13 21:31 BST+0100[/i]

Worst case you could just add a GPU later anyway. A used GPU would do as well and be cheaper.
Pcp isn't that great for the UK so I might be able to find a cheaper PSU and get the price for the second build down below 400£ so that even if you end up having to buy a GPU it would still be <500£ even with the exact same GPU as the other build.

The two main advantages of the second build would be being able to forego the GPU until you need something decently powerful for games that aren't TF2 (or maybe never and save some money) and the extra threads via SMT, again for things that aren't TF2.
2994
#2994
0 Frags +

^ you shouldn't pair a Ryzen APU with anything less than 3200 if u want decent performance out of it or for that matter Ryzen in general. It doesn't even cost significantly more so there is no point in not getting it.

^ you shouldn't pair a Ryzen APU with anything less than 3200 if u want decent performance out of it or for that matter Ryzen in general. It doesn't even cost significantly more so there is no point in not getting it.
2995
#2995
1 Frags +

Setsul I must apologize, I summoned your expertise ~6 months ago and never built what you recommended. I'm definitely ready to build this time.

Building a pc for TF2 & CSGO 720p lowest settings and would like to stream as well. This is what I've put together, looking to hit around ~1k CAD using exclusively amazon.ca. A friend is shipping me this power supply so hopefully I don't need to worry about that. Would OC to 4GHz if you recommend sticking with this processor.

Setsul I must apologize, I summoned your expertise ~6 months ago and never built what you recommended. I'm definitely ready to build this time.

Building a pc for TF2 & CSGO 720p lowest settings and would like to stream as well. [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/protoxproto/saved/TD4YrH]This is what I've put together[/url], looking to hit around ~1k CAD using exclusively amazon.ca. A friend is shipping me this [url=https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00ALK3KEM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1&tag=teamfortresst-20]power supply[/url] so hopefully I don't need to worry about that. Would OC to 4GHz if you recommend sticking with this processor.
2996
#2996
2 Frags +

#2994
You're acting like 2400 would be 50% slower. 3200 isn't some magical minimum below which the thing won't work.
Dual channel and timings are important, then in third place is frequency.
The APUs are single CCX so they don't need high DRAM frequency to not suck on anything within the L3 because the IF never gets involved in those cases.
Above all is the budget. He needs to choose what he wants first because 2400G + 3200 + GTX 1050 isn't happening. Just 2400G + 3200 would work but then I still need to check the QVL because even the cheapest 3200 RAM is a waste of money good if the mobo doesn't like it and you're forced to the 2133 default (and you can bet the cheap ones will default to 2133, not 2400) because the thing won't boot with the XMP profile enabled. 2933 and 2666 are also perfectly valid options.

#2995
The 2600 exists now. There is no reason to get the 1600 anymore. Stock boost to 3.9 will make overclocking to 4.0 quite a bit easier.
You don't need thermal paste.
Zen is extremely picky with lower dividers (frequency divisible by 66.67 or 133.33 instead of 266.67) so if you're going to get 3000 MHz (66 divider) make sure it's on the QVL of the mobo. It'll probably cheaper if you order that from a different shop.
The A400 is a low end budget SSD. Not the worst but you have no need to save 30$. As soon as you mix reads and writes it shits the bed like all budget SSDs. As soon as it runs out of SLC buffer for writes (4GB) it shits the bed and runs at 70 MB/s. In other words if you dare to copy a file or write any file over 4GB it's slower than an HDD.
The 200R doesn't have dust filters which is just not acceptable at 70$.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor ($269.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Memory: GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($207.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Storage: Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: Corsair - 100R Silent ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $977.94
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-14 08:13 EDT-0400

#2994
You're acting like 2400 would be 50% slower. 3200 isn't some magical minimum below which the thing won't work.
Dual channel and timings are important, then in third place is frequency.
The APUs are single CCX so they don't need high DRAM frequency to not suck on anything within the L3 because the IF never gets involved in those cases.
Above all is the budget. He needs to choose what he wants first because 2400G + 3200 + GTX 1050 isn't happening. Just 2400G + 3200 would work but then I still need to check the QVL because even the cheapest 3200 RAM is a waste of money good if the mobo doesn't like it and you're forced to the 2133 default (and you can bet the cheap ones will default to 2133, not 2400) because the thing won't boot with the XMP profile enabled. 2933 and 2666 are also perfectly valid options.

#2995
The 2600 exists now. There is no reason to get the 1600 anymore. Stock boost to 3.9 will make overclocking to 4.0 quite a bit easier.
You don't need thermal paste.
Zen is extremely picky with lower dividers (frequency divisible by 66.67 or 133.33 instead of 266.67) so if you're going to get 3000 MHz (66 divider) make sure it's on the QVL of the mobo. It'll probably cheaper if you order that from a different shop.
The A400 is a low end budget SSD. Not the worst but you have no need to save 30$. As soon as you mix reads and writes it shits the bed like all budget SSDs. As soon as it runs out of SLC buffer for writes (4GB) it shits the bed and runs at 70 MB/s. In other words if you dare to copy a file or write any file over 4GB it's slower than an HDD.
The 200R doesn't have dust filters which is just not acceptable at 70$.

[url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/98LbTB]PCPartPicker part list[/url] / [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/98LbTB/by_merchant/]Price breakdown by merchant[/url]

[b]CPU:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/jLF48d/amd-ryzen-5-2600-34ghz-6-core-processor-yd2600bbafbox]AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4GHz 6-Core Processor[/url] ($269.99 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Motherboard:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/hpRzK8/gigabyte-b450m-ds3h-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b450m-ds3h]Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard[/url] ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Memory:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/pH2rxr/geil-memory-gpr416gb3000c15adc]GeIL - EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory[/url] ($207.99 @ Newegg Canada)
[b]Storage:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/4mkj4D/crucial-mx500-250gb-25-solid-state-drive-ct250mx500ssd1]Crucial - MX500 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive[/url] ($89.99 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Video Card:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/x7s8TW/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-video-card-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-oc]MSI - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB Video Card[/url] ($239.99 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Case:[/b] [url=https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/PzM323/corsair-case-cc9011077ww]Corsair - 100R Silent ATX Mid Tower Case[/url] ($69.99 @ Amazon Canada)
[b]Total:[/b] $977.94
[i]Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available[/i]
[i]Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-08-14 08:13 EDT-0400[/i]
2997
#2997
2 Frags +

Setsul you're a don, danke.

Setsul you're a don, danke.
2998
#2998
0 Frags +

alright most everyone knows what they're doing but i gotta ask when picking parts do most of them magically go with each other or are there guidelines on what goes better with what

eg motherboards not fitting certain parts or something like that

really looking forward to building a pc sometime later this year but kinda scared of wasting money because of stuff like mentioned above

alright most everyone knows what they're doing but i gotta ask when picking parts do most of them magically go with each other or are there guidelines on what goes better with what

eg motherboards not fitting certain parts or something like that

really looking forward to building a pc sometime later this year but kinda scared of wasting money because of stuff like mentioned above
2999
#2999
0 Frags +

so i was planning on getting a new pc but im a total monglet when it comes to pcs so i need all the help

all of the current parts are pretty much obsolete so a fresh build that can run and stream tf2 on 1080p on ~200 fps and run new games such as monster hunter world and rainbow 6 siege on ~100 fps

budget is somewhere between 1200-1500 euros, no need for monitors and peripherals

so i was planning on getting a new pc but im a total monglet when it comes to pcs so i need all the help

all of the current parts are pretty much obsolete so a fresh build that can run and stream tf2 on 1080p on ~200 fps and run new games such as monster hunter world and rainbow 6 siege on ~100 fps

budget is somewhere between 1200-1500 euros, no need for monitors and peripherals
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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2Bn4ZR (i hope it's fine i used UK prices for this)

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i think the 8700k should be great for streaming and gaming although u can also get away with a 8600k or a ryzen 5

heard a lot of good things about nzxt water coolers but you can also go for a normal air cooler if watercooling is spooky to you or you just want to save a bit of cash

z370 so you can overclock your 8700k, tf2 HEAVILY depends on the cpu's clock speed for fps, so i'd say overclock to like 4ghz at least to get (somewhat) consistent 200fps although overclocking to 4.5 or even 4.8 should be fine

16gb of ram is hopefully good enough for you to stream and play

500gb ssd as a boot drive and a few programs/games and the 1tb hdd for anything else u dont want to put on the ssd

went for a 1070 since it seems it'll get you the fps you want, you could try getting a 1070ti or even wait for the new nvidia gpus coming out soon (although don't expect them to be like WAY better than the 10 serie cards), i have a single fan gigabyte 10603gb and the fan is super quiet (although i might've not pushed the gpu to the limit enough to hear any problems with the fans)

placeholder case, this case seems to be good for gpu temps

and the psu i just went for a 80+ gold fullymodular 600w psu which should do you fine unless u want to run 40 gpus in one system in the future, it's a corsair one which should be fine but yu can also go for an evga one if you want to

if this was a bit overbudget you can prob drop down to a 8600k/ryzen 5 cpu, to a aircooler instead of a watercooler and maybe for a lower wattage psu

i'd wait for someone else whos more experienced that me to post instead of you trusting me

[quote=joerski]#2999[/quote]
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/2Bn4ZR (i hope it's fine i used UK prices for this)

[spoiler]i think the 8700k should be great for streaming and gaming although u can also get away with a 8600k or a ryzen 5

heard a lot of good things about nzxt water coolers but you can also go for a normal air cooler if watercooling is spooky to you or you just want to save a bit of cash

z370 so you can overclock your 8700k, tf2 HEAVILY depends on the cpu's clock speed for fps, so i'd say overclock to like 4ghz at least to get (somewhat) consistent 200fps although overclocking to 4.5 or even 4.8 should be fine

16gb of ram is hopefully good enough for you to stream and play

500gb ssd as a boot drive and a few programs/games and the 1tb hdd for anything else u dont want to put on the ssd

went for a 1070 [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmsJ7FaCxtQ]since it seems it'll get you the fps you want[/url], you could try getting a 1070ti or even wait for the new nvidia gpus coming out soon (although don't expect them to be like WAY better than the 10 serie cards), i have a single fan gigabyte 10603gb and the fan is super quiet (although i might've not pushed the gpu to the limit enough to hear any problems with the fans)

placeholder case, this case seems to be good for gpu temps

and the psu i just went for a 80+ gold fullymodular 600w psu which should do you fine unless u want to run 40 gpus in one system in the future, it's a corsair one which should be fine but yu can also go for an evga one if you want to[/spoiler]

if this was a bit overbudget you can prob drop down to a 8600k/ryzen 5 cpu, to a aircooler instead of a watercooler and maybe for a lower wattage psu

i'd wait for someone else whos more experienced that me to post instead of you trusting me
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